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Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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post #542

Unpopular opinion: We users are better off if Apple is "compromising" on something like this at the stage we're in now - especially since nobody forces you to use iCloud Backups - than we'll be when/if the US gov makes Apple an offer it can't refuse and forces a real backdoor master-key on the whole system top to bottom. Assumption: That not going full encrypted backups will prevent the government from having the pol…

That is not the issue. Their deceptive marketing is the issue.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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Wonder if this will help to kill a meme, about how much Apple cares about users and what great values they have, how they're going to stand for the user, fight with governments, etc. While iPhone itself is pretty secure as a device phone (and Apple makes sure to remind you about that in each ad, public speaking, attacks on competitors, etc), as an ecosystem it's not secure. And it's like that on purpose - there's no…

> Wonder if this will help to kill a meme, aboyt how much Apple cares about users and what great values they have, how they're going to stand for the user, fight with governments, etc. In this instance, Apple decided to continue to not encrypt iCloud backups because, according to one source, > […] the company did not want to risk being attacked by public officials for protecting criminals, sued for moving previously…

>Most people, including technically knowledgable users here on HN, were unaware iCloud backups have always been unencrypted.

iCloud backups are definitely encrypted. They just aren't end-to-end encrypted.

That should have been plainly obvious to any technically knowledgeable user because you don't lose your data forever when you forget your Apple ID password. Or the fact that you can see your photos through a web browser on icloud.com

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

#564

Wonder if this will help to kill a meme, about how much Apple cares about users and what great values they have, how they're going to stand for the user, fight with governments, etc. While iPhone itself is pretty secure as a device phone (and Apple makes sure to remind you about that in each ad, public speaking, attacks on competitors, etc), as an ecosystem it's not secure. And it's like that on purpose - there's no…

> there's no good and easy option to backup your phone other than iCloud

Except plugging it into a PC or Mac with iTunes, toggle a checkbox and set a password. No, it's not effortless, but it's not bad and it's not difficult

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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What the... I was under the impression that iCloud backups are end-to-end encrypted. This is a HUGE problem.

You ever read the reviews for the MEGA app? Everyone complains that there's no password reset feature. MEGA is fully encrypted so you literally can't reset your password. It says this when you first crate an account and get a recovery key. I don't think the general public would understand end-to-end encrypted backups. It would probably hurt their company if all backups were totally unrecoverable.

Mega has an Alexa rank of 372 and over 50 million Android installs. They're a good example of how end-to-end encryption can be popular among the general public when executed properly, and they've even released the source code for their clients.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mega.nz

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mega.privacy.a...

https://github.com/meganz

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there's no good and easy option to backup your phone other than iCloud. Just plug your phone, click "Backup up". You don't even have to open iTunes anymore, just open "Finder" window. Can't be easier than that.

Tell that to us Windows and Linux people

iTunes on Windows does the same exact thing, and you can run it in a VM on Linux (if the latest version doesn’t work in Wine, which I think it may).

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The keys that encrypt the iCloud data are never on your device. They don't even need to sniff the keys. They control them.

Apple clearly lists which data is e2e encrypted and which isn’t. The keys that encrypt e2e data is not stored on Apple’s servers.

And we were talking about iCloud data here. So why were you claiming the keys were on the device?

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

#569

Wonder if this will help to kill a meme, about how much Apple cares about users and what great values they have, how they're going to stand for the user, fight with governments, etc. While iPhone itself is pretty secure as a device phone (and Apple makes sure to remind you about that in each ad, public speaking, attacks on competitors, etc), as an ecosystem it's not secure. And it's like that on purpose - there's no…

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> iPhone/iPad backups stored locally on iTunes (or Finder, in Catalina) are end-to-end encrypted. Optionally encrypted: https://support.apple.com/sl-si/HT205220

I suppose even if you don't check the box to encrypt, you're still protected by FileVault.

> I suppose even if you don't check the box to encrypt, you're still protected by FileVault.

FileVault too is optional: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204837

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