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Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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post #16

Because the author using a niche browser (QT wrapped in an app), this might be Browser Integrity Check. It's purpose is to block non-browser like behaviour common for spammers/malware. That would also explain switching to Chrome fixes the issue. https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200170086-U...

I also use Qutebrowser and just set my user agent to the top result on https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-..., which I update every month.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#72
This is the death of alternative browsers it's only a matter of time before Firefox and friends gets blocked from major websites for "security" reasons and you will only be able to browse the internet in a browser that enforces full tracking and ads only. The MPAA and similar organizations is probably working on this already.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#73
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know the specifics on this, could you elaborate?

Half the websites I visit give me the CloudFlare screen like One more step Please complete the security check to access . Followed by either endless stream of ReCaptchas or one completely impossible.

if captcha loops are still an issue, you should write in. JGC takes that stuff seriously. You're more likely to see a IP block, because most site owners do not whitelist TOR endpoints or specifically block them because it's mostly abuse.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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post #67
post #11

I also refuse to complete captchas because I'm not interested in giving a trillion dollar company my free labor to help train their models. I'm really close to just defaulting JavaScript off entirely, the web is becoming so much worse by the day.

I've had js turned off by default for many years now, and don't feel like I'm missing out on anything important. Your mileage, of course, may vary.

You're a stronger person than me.

I keep trying to live without JS but so little of the internet works.

* Gitlab/Github (obviously)

* Google maps (obviously)

* Linkedin... (uh... less obviously)

* Outlook

* Infoq.com

* Rust docs

* Google Cloud Docs

etc;

A lot of the internet is butchered without JS.

I really want a way of just blocking third-party JS (IE; the site can deliver JS, but not anything it tries to import unless whitelisted). But that seems to be hard with qutebrowser.

FWIW uMatrix apparently has a method doing this.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#75
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They blocked Nazis after some attack or something like that. The founder wrote an emotional letter back then, acknowledging how bad is this and how he hates becoming the internet police.

It wasn't some attack. The guy behind the Daily Stormer stated publicly that Cloudflare not shutting off his service means they agree with and support the Daily Stormer's content. > The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology. [0] That's in a blog post which is a follow up to a leaked memo. [1] [0] https://blog.…

The Daily Stormer in 2017 was as you state. However, last year they kicked off 8chan, which was in part due to the El Paso and Dayton shootings according to their blog post about it[0]. I suspect that's what mrtksn is referencing.

[0] https://blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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post #13

It's okay, don't worry. Cloudflare would never use this incredible power for political purposes... ...oh wait, yes, they have and they will again. We've given them the power to censor and with the power increasingly comes the onus to do so, to satisfy the political whims of an elite that doesn't like anything counter to their narrative.

Do you have any evidence of this? I'd take a dodgy looking blogspot URL over absolute nothing

In the past, Cloudflare were free speech absolutists. They accepted customers in a content neutral way. When people tried to get them to deplatform ISIS websites, they said this:

One of the greatest strengths of the United States is a belief that speech, particularly political speech, is sacred. A website, of course, is nothing but speech... A website is speech. It is not a bomb. There is no imminent danger it creates and no provider has an affirmative obligation to monitor and make determinations about the theoretically harmful nature of speech a site may contain.

When people started asking why Cloudflare hosts racist and neo-nazi content, they eventually relented from their free speech position and stopped hosting one called The Daily Stormer. The CEO wrote a big blog post about how what he was doing is bad for the internet and free speech but he's going to do it anyways (I'm paraphrasing, read original words here: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/). Since then, they've stopped working with a number of other sites due to content, like 8chan.

I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation for Cloudflare. They weren't really looking for political battles, but ended up having them anyways. I think this Wired article adds some interesting perspective: https://www.wired.com/story/free-speech-issue-cloudflare/

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#77
post #17

The problem presented by services like ReCaptcha and Cloudflare is a tough nut to crack. They're silently embedded in a huge portion of modern websites, and the average user will never even know about them. But it seems to be way too easy for them to blanket-ban or serve an absurd amount of captchas to powerusers, linux gurus, privacy geeks, or anyone with the wrong combination of browser+addons. And the failures (as…

> Two steps backwards in every conceivable way. The giants gain more invisible power and powerusers suffer decreased productivity/privacy. Not going to happen. I agree with the first two sentences, but disagree with the third. I believe that this state is actually the intended end goal. Previously, for many years, I browsed the web with Javascript disabled. At the time, this had very little impact on my browsing expe…

Like always we find another venue where the giants haven't their foot yet. Or the malicous users does not find a huge interest in.

Rebooting the web into something else is still possible and something that will eventually happen when enough people are too tired about the current state.

This battle has been lost long time ago.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#78
CF appears to be looking at the UA-agent and deciding to block based on that.

I'm guessing it's very basic checking because deep browser-fingerprinting is supposed to against the law in some countries (I stand to correction on this statement).

I'm not personally a fan of CF because of the amount of data they can potentially obtain(or do), but there's a lot of crap out there and their firewall is robust enough to protect Johns Cowboy store from contributing to some dudes Monero mining botnet.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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post #31
post #17

The problem presented by services like ReCaptcha and Cloudflare is a tough nut to crack. They're silently embedded in a huge portion of modern websites, and the average user will never even know about them. But it seems to be way too easy for them to blanket-ban or serve an absurd amount of captchas to powerusers, linux gurus, privacy geeks, or anyone with the wrong combination of browser+addons. And the failures (as…

4. Power users and nerds need to upstream the privacy improvements to everyone. - To do so you need to avoid making user experience worse

Apple's work on tracking protection in Safari are a great step for this. Normalizing ITP across the whole Mac / iOS / iPad OS userbase means that sites have to accept it or block a huge number of normal users.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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post #17

The problem presented by services like ReCaptcha and Cloudflare is a tough nut to crack. They're silently embedded in a huge portion of modern websites, and the average user will never even know about them. But it seems to be way too easy for them to blanket-ban or serve an absurd amount of captchas to powerusers, linux gurus, privacy geeks, or anyone with the wrong combination of browser+addons. And the failures (as…

4. Boycott Cloudflare.
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