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Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by pdonis »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #13
BitwiseFool wrote: post #2

According to the article Boeing has halted production, but this leaves the door open to producing them again in the future after design updates. I predict they'll try to rename the model and fly it again after making changes and certifying. That being said, I never want to fly on a 737 Max or whatever they plan to rebrand it as.

> That being said, I never want to fly on a 737 Max or whatever they plan to rebrand it as. Self admittedly, I don't fly as frequently as I used to, but do they still put the model of plane you're flying on anywhere on the ticket? How can someone go about making sure you're not flying on this specific model?

During the reservation process you should be able to see the equipment type (that's airline-speak for "model of plane").

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by rapsey »

stopads wrote: post #26
rapsey wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like every other major public company. If that is your criteria you will be left with little to buy.

No, the current buyback madness (at least at these levels) is a very recent invention of the past decade and quite abnormal. We can go back to reinvesting in companies and employees and research tomorrow if we want to. But this would require boards and executives who didn't want to just grant themselves huge amounts of equity while buying back stock. So far not many boards are standing up for this.

Yeah recent like you said for boening last six years. They are doing what everyone else is doing so it is pretty strange to single them out on this issue.

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by stopads »

rapsey wrote: post #42
stopads wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the current buyback madness (at least at these levels) is a very recent invention of the past decade and quite abnormal. We can go back to reinvesting in companies and employees and research tomorrow if we want to. But this would require boards and executives who didn't want to just grant themselves huge amounts of equity while buying back stock. So far not many boards are standing up for this.

Yeah recent like you said for boening last six years. They are doing what everyone else is doing so it is pretty strange to single them out on this issue.

I've complained about many companies that are devoting even more resources to buybacks on this very forum, including Chevron, Texas Instruments, Google and Oracle. Google in particular has been the trendsetter, everyone else is trying to keep up with their buybacks.

This news story is about Boeing, so yes I'm going to talk about Boeing here.

Do you work in defense or aerospace? You seem to be taking this personally for some reason.

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by bmking »

me_me_me wrote: post #23
codegeek wrote: post #20

I don't know about anyone else but personally, I would never fly a 737 max. Yes it could be fixed and yes it may be the same as other models going forward but the amount of coverage it has received and the fear it has created, I would always check if I am flying a 737 max or not. Yes that doesn't necessarily mean anything but it is now tainted. Boeing is smart to just discontinue the name even if it repackages it aga…

What? Why? We have duct-taped even more safety features now. It must have made it safer to fly.

The simple fact for Boeing to continue "operating as usual" without real consequences dis-aligns incentives that have been present until now in air travel making it so safe. The precedence it creates can ripple so that e.g. Airbus also slacks on safety to stay competitive if this is the new normal...

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by sieabahlpark »

linsomniac wrote: post #31
heavymark wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I imagine the rebranding will be as ineffective as Comcast rebranding as Xfinity, where everyone knows they are the same.

I don't know what you're talking about, Comcast has had amazing support the last few months in my area. We even had a rep come to our house, and leave a handwritten note on the door when we didn't answer, asking if we had any questions or concerns and to give them a call if there was anything they could do for us. ... I'm sure this has nothing to do with the city fiber to the home buildout that is going on in our nei…

You'll probably be happier on fiber when it rolls out

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by metanoia »

growlist wrote: post #33
HenryKissinger wrote: post #15

I can't wait to read a senior Boeing manager's future book about the way the company mishandled the development of the 737 Max and how the upper echelons of decision makers managed the ensuing crisis. How many screaming matches occurred between VPs and engineering directors behind closed doors, how many angry emails were exchanged, how many panicked phone calls from the investor relations department to Muilenberg, et…

What's incredible to me is how this could be allowed to happen. Are the higher echelons of these industries staffed by charlatans? Has something changed in the engineering culture? Did greed override diligence and if so, how was this allowed to happen when the consequences can be so catastrophic both to passengers and to the company? It just doesn't make sense to me how, with such high stakes, a company could manage…

It's precisely due to this lack of real accountability that these kinds of things happen in C-suites everywhere. Massive golden parachutes are the "punishment".

Asset seizure and jail time work wonders, too bad they're not being used.

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by mrtweetyhack »

DougN7 wrote: post #11
freepor wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re underestimating how much fear people have of flying. If there’s a plane that is considered “dangerous” then people are going to avoid it. It’s not like airlines losing your luggage which people just put up with.

I’m the opposite. I figure the safest time to fly is when all the problems are foremost in everyone’s mind. Not worried/haven’t checked if I’m flying one today.

That's what the people who died thought as well

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by rapsey »

stopads wrote: post #43
rapsey wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah recent like you said for boening last six years. They are doing what everyone else is doing so it is pretty strange to single them out on this issue.

I've complained about many companies that are devoting even more resources to buybacks on this very forum, including Chevron, Texas Instruments, Google and Oracle. Google in particular has been the trendsetter, everyone else is trying to keep up with their buybacks. This news story is about Boeing, so yes I'm going to talk about Boeing here. Do you work in defense or aerospace? You seem to be taking this personally f…

Nope and neither am I taking it personally
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