If the Astros were using the standard public TV camera view, why can't there be some real time image analysis that blurs the signs? If we can instantly recognize millions of faces, it seems pretty simple to blur a catcher's hands when making a sign.
How the internet helped crack the Astros' sign-stealing case
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#42I think the best part about the whole thing is that there are so many memes accompanying the investigation. I'm not sure however, that the internet really helped crack the case. Th article shows that the internet came to similar conclusions as the real MLB investigation.
I read an article today from 2018 that mentioned the Astros banging trash cans. Apparently MLB has known about these allegations for a while and didn't investigate. It took it coming out on social media for them to finally launch the investigation.
Can you link to the article?
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#43If the Astros were using the standard public TV camera view, why can't there be some real time image analysis that blurs the signs? If we can instantly recognize millions of faces, it seems pretty simple to blur a catcher's hands when making a sign.
They had their own CCTV camera with a good zoom up in their own stadium, above the broadcast cameras. They only had the advantage on their home field.
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#44If the Astros were using the standard public TV camera view, why can't there be some real time image analysis that blurs the signs? If we can instantly recognize millions of faces, it seems pretty simple to blur a catcher's hands when making a sign.
There's no way they were using the TV feed - there'd be too much lag to be useful. The 'bangs' were just way too fast. They might have been using a feed destined for broadcast...
Adding blur between camera and broadcast just adds a layer of complexity. Nothing stops the team from installing their own camera. The league shouldn't have to add technology censors to prevent a team from cheating.
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#45I don't see this as an issue, unless expressively forbidden.
The goal is to win, by all means necessary. Like war.
I'm almost 60 now, but in my twenties I thought "why don't teams have people in the stands to do just this, steal the signs."
I was a phreaker back then and always wanted to call the Twins dugout just to see if I could.
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#46I don't see this as an issue, unless expressively forbidden. The goal is to win, by all means necessary. Like war. I'm almost 60 now, but in my twenties I thought "why don't teams have people in the stands to do just this, steal the signs." I was a phreaker back then and always wanted to call the Twins dugout just to see if I could.
Stealing signs using a cameras/video/technology is forbidden.
Four people have already lost their jobs over this, additionally, Astros were fined $5 million and lost four draft picks.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, the latter two seem institutionally corrupt in a way MLB is not - at least today.
The feigned shock at steroids. The shakedowns of cities for ballparks while offering a suite to the city council and other politicians. The corruption is just a local flavor.
>The feigned shock at steroids.
Barry Bonds still isn't in the Hall of Fame. Neither is Roger Clemons. The institution seems to be reacting appropriately in my book.
>The shakedowns of cities...
Okay, you got me there I guess. Which stadium are you thinking of though? My understanding of the Braves stadium deal(most recent stadium deal that comes to mind) is that the team is required to pay off the county's bonds raised over some period of time (I'm not from Atlanta, so this is just my recollection). I suppose Target Field in Minneapolis was kind of a raw deal. I can meet you half way on thinking that a lot of these projects are in fact crap for local communities, but I think we've seen this phenomenon in the NFL more than MLB. Teams like the Rams and the Chargers basically held their local governments hostage for a new stadium and when they didn't get one they moved. This hasn't happened in MLB for a long time.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Similar for me as a Detroit fan with Justin Verlander. Half of me is glad to see his World Series win wasn’t revoked, but the other half says he was party to the cheating and should have been punished. But the shame is he’s one of the best pitchers in the game without cheating... why did he do it? Shame indeed.
Well, yours is the converse, no? Kershaw lost in part to Houston's sign-stealing, Verlander won.
And then Verlander lost against the Nationals, because they stole the signs to him. This is the most plausible explanation for his losses. And the internet didn't help there, rather the opposite.
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#49I’m waiting for machine learning to predict play calls for baseball and football. It shouldn’t be too hard if it hasn’t already been done. Based on the offensive coordinator and things like field position, etc it should be easy to make predictions as to what that human would make based on past choices. I wonder if that would be considered cheating though If they only used past performance and not real time signal ste…
Why not just use a cannon to shoot the ball? Ideas like yours take all the fun out of play and ruin it for everyone else. We all know we can build machines to do things better than humans, but so what? It's the uncertainty and imperfection and second guessing that makes a game enjoyable to watch or play in the first place.
comparing swapping a player with an ref is a serious stretch.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
The feigned shock at steroids. The shakedowns of cities for ballparks while offering a suite to the city council and other politicians. The corruption is just a local flavor.
>The feigned shock at steroids. Barry Bonds still isn't in the Hall of Fame. Neither is Roger Clemons. The institution seems to be reacting appropriately in my book. >The shakedowns of cities... Okay, you got me there I guess. Which stadium are you thinking of though? My understanding of the Braves stadium deal(most recent stadium deal that comes to mind) is that the team is required to pay off the county's bonds rai…
The MLB isn't in charge of who gets into the Baseball Hall of Fame.