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What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by squiggleblaz »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #366
franga2000 wrote: post #299

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Why do I keep expecting Canada to be better than it actually is? Although, a quick web search shows that at least in Quebec, minimum wage for tipped workers is 1.9$ lower vs. not applying at all in many US states - better, but still sad.

I moved from US to Australia and then Canada. Canada is almost the same as US with consumer rights, customer service, citizen rights etc which is that's it's almost non existent. Australia is one of the best countries imo. Minimum wage with penalty can be up to as high as $100 per hour ( yes $100) and starts around $25+

The minimum wage is $19.49 AUD which is significantly lower in USD. Many industries will have higher minimum wages, but it certainly doesn't start at $25.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by beatgammit »

eru wrote: post #241
mjevans wrote: post #173

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Can we please do that for all jobs? I want the workers at places I get food and such from to actually just have good base pay. Tips should be about rewarding going BEYOND the normal... not as a basis of someone's wage.

> Tips should be about rewarding going BEYOND the normal... not as a basis of someone's wage. For game theoretic reasons / general equilibrium, you can't restrict tips like that. Even if you try. Your shop can ban tips, though.

There's a middle ground here. A restaurant owner can decide to put out a sign that says "our employees are paid a good wage, tipping is not expected".

In my area, restaurants are allowed to pay waiters less because tipping is expected, and a restaurant is required to pay workers more if they don't make minimum wage after tips. It's really odd, and we should just remove the exclusion for restaurants. I think simply removing the exception will end up fixing the culture around tipping.

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Post by dangus »

devmunchies wrote: post #127
bobloblaw45 wrote: post #2

I drove for DoorDash for about a month. What killed me was the wait between deliveries. I think it was like 45 minutes on average and when I did get a delivery it was like a tiny $7 delivery. There would be 2 hour stretches of times pretty often. But then once in awhile I'd get a string of maybe 3 or 4 runs that paid like $12. over 2 or 3 hours.It was too inconsistent. Had no idea if I ever got tips, from my understa…

>There's just too many drivers I think. interesting, I'm desperate for more drivers. I run a side business that delivers cookies, drivers do just under 30 deliveries a day (about 3-4 every hour) and make minimum wage plus 100% of tips are split at the end of pay period. it ends up being about $3/delivery in tips, which is an extra $9/hr for a total of $21/hr (minimum wage is $12). A driver could theoretically make ov…

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Post by sithlord »

Lavery wrote: post #399
scarface74 wrote: post #389

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How could cutting drivers pay without cutting prices to increase demand raise revenue ? It would raise profit possibly or in Uber’s case reduce losses.

The cost to Uber users is not the same as revenue to Uber corporate. Uber corporate revenue is net of driver pay.

revenue is all monies before any kind of expense...

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by devmunchies »

tallanvor wrote: post #287
devmunchies wrote: post #127

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>There's just too many drivers I think. interesting, I'm desperate for more drivers. I run a side business that delivers cookies, drivers do just under 30 deliveries a day (about 3-4 every hour) and make minimum wage plus 100% of tips are split at the end of pay period. it ends up being about $3/delivery in tips, which is an extra $9/hr for a total of $21/hr (minimum wage is $12). A driver could theoretically make ov…

"plus 100% of tips are split at the end of pay period" Split with who?

the other drivers. so if we received a total of 100 orders and a driver went on 29 orders, then they get 29% of all the tips.

If a baker went on only 2 deliveries then they get 2% of tips. Ends up averaging to "$3/delivery in tips" that i shared above.

Thats just for tips from the checkout form, they keep cash tips.

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

throwaway55554 wrote: post #385
asah wrote: post #361

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We can, but.. - incumbent taxis are also predatory services that abuse drivers, arguably worse than Uber/Lyft - and they're a shitty rider experience in many many ways. - hotels are OK but rarely provide kitchens, let alone friendly hosts who bake you killer banana bread (yesterday's stay) - delivery from individual restaurants is rarely available at all, and thus you're going to call a Postmates/etc to help pickup.…

One has to decide, do I give up some comforts to make things better for others or not? I'm sure it's usually pretty easy to convince oneself that others won't give up the comforts so nothing will change and just continue using the services.

Just to be clear, whose life is being made better by you not taking delivery of food? The now unemployed delivery worker? The restaurant workers? Yourself?

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Post by jagged-chisel »

sithlord wrote: post #404
Lavery wrote: post #399

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The cost to Uber users is not the same as revenue to Uber corporate. Uber corporate revenue is net of driver pay.

revenue is all monies before any kind of expense...

While money after expenses (“profit” to the layman) is “income”

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Post by chownie »

hurricanetc wrote: post #308
consp wrote: post #304

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You are already naming the problem here: > Some restaurants have started paying their servers more and not allowing tips. Service bad? -> complain to employer, employer punishes employee Service OK? -> employer pays employee for work done Service good? -> employer pays employee for work done and customer pays employee for good work (and employee shares it with all the other employees who are in the chain of service).

See it’s the “service good” category that I don’t think will exist. Why would people tip when tipping is no longer socially mandated? Where people seem to disagree here is with the idea that service workers are better off with low wages + tipping than higher wages + no tipping.

In the UK wait staff are tipped based on service and are still paid at least minimum wage.

Tipping is generally based on the quality of the establishment, you tip at a higher class restaurant but you don't at restaurants that are franchised or common brands.

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Post by analyst74 »

s_dev wrote: post #260
Reedx wrote: post #255

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You don't know what the waiter's situation is, so how can we presume to know better than they do? Are you sure the people who are choosing to work for these services would agree? Secondly, you have the option of giving a nice tip. I suspect they'd prefer that over not renting their Airbnb or whatever service they're offering.

>Secondly, you have the option of giving a nice tip. DoorDash is litterally taking the tips left for the staff though ...

That not true anymore
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