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What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by monocasa »

LocalH wrote: post #279
fxtentacle wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also no other developed country that has drug problems like the US. If you stop treating people with respect, they need some way to cope. First painkillers, then the opioid crisis, now alcohol-related deaths are on the rise. And I recently read that the new hip thing are LSD nose spray trips timed to your lunch break.

LSD can't be "timed to your lunch break" as far as I know. Whether micro, threshold, or full-on trip, LSD usually has a duration of around 8-12 hours before you're back to baseline (and tolerance is long, usually two weeks before another similarly-dosed experience would have the same potency)

Maybe the parent meant DMT? That's suspiciously smoke break length.

Although if I were doing that if just have a vape of deems rather trying to find some weird nasal spray thing.

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Post by ian0 »

lr4444lr wrote: post #338
wayanon wrote: post #336

Is there no payment in the US to parents from the Gov for parents? Eg in UK there is ‘child benefit’. An amount of money paid per child.

The Earned Income Tax Credit essentially does this, as does the general tax exemptions you can declare by having dependents.

Child benefit are payments remitted to parents regardless of working status not a tax credit

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Post by esotericn »

tremon wrote: post #309
franga2000 wrote: post #199

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Is there any other country other than the US where paying service workers below minimum wage is legal or acceptable? I've been around a fair bit of Europe and surroundings and I've never encountered the US system.

While not legally the same, the UK comes close with its minimum wage/living wage gap: society acknowledges that minimum wage is not enough to make a living (in some areas) so it expects workers to be paid the living wage instead. I don't think this is mandated by law though, so you could have situations where workers are paid below the socially expected "minimum" wage. At least they acknowledge the problem.

The living wage is kind of different, though. The difference might be 10-20% or so.

It's not like the US situation where the 'minimum' of $2 or whatever it is would be absolutely unliveable.

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Post by marketingfool »

2rsf wrote: post #192
mjevans wrote: post #173

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Can we please do that for all jobs? I want the workers at places I get food and such from to actually just have good base pay. Tips should be about rewarding going BEYOND the normal... not as a basis of someone's wage.

Yes we can, that's how it works in Sweden and AFAIK in many other European countries. Tips are not expected, and are meant only for extraordinary service. The base pay is decent and so are the benefits like vacation, pension etc.

Have you been to Europe? The standard of living is below what is expected in the states.

It's nice to say removing tips and adding vacation is what workers want, but how will United States workers afford premium phones and buy larger houses?

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Post by marketingfool »

sschueller wrote: post #207
dmode wrote: post #160

Why can’t we have normal businesses where you employ your workers and charge your customers the real cost of the transaction ? If that is not viable, don’t start the business to begin with. Let’s just go back to first principles, can we ?

We can, stop using and supporting these predatory companies. Never use Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Uber Eats, AirBnB etc. No exception irregardless how easy or cheap it may be. It's a small sacrifice but can and will make a difference. Using these services to me is like asking a waiter to pay for part of my meal. When it comes around to paying the bill are you able to face someone and ask them to pay for part of what they…

We hosted an Airbnb, we got awards for being top hosts and provided a cheaper stay than our local trash hotel.

Everyone that stayed over would become friends or friendly and we'd provide anything they requested.

The problem is the trash hotel nearby doesn't like competition and reported us to the city.

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Post by jakobegger »

mynameishere wrote: post #310
jakobegger wrote: post #294

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I don't think the system will fix itself by banning tips. That doesn't help anyone. What society should do is require a decent base pay (regardless of tip). That way I know that my server can make ends meet if I tip them or not, and tipping them becomes a curtesy, not a necessity.

I think a lot of people making comments like this don't realize that the market price of waitstaff's labor is probably similar to fast food or other retail work--$10/hour, maybe a bit more. With tipping, waitstaff can make really good money, to the point that any efforts on the part of a restaurant owner to replace tipping with higher wages tends to result in the entire staff quitting. My point: If "society" "require…

> replace tipping with higher wages

I'm not suggesting to "replace" tipping with anything. I'm saying you should pay waiters enough so they don't depend on tips. Tips are a nice bonus, but they shouldn't be necessary.

Which is the situation in most places other than the US.

Here in Austria waiters are grateful if you tip them, and they might think you're cheap if you don't tip, but they still make enough to live even without tips.

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Post by mekkkkkk »

2rsf wrote: post #192
mjevans wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we please do that for all jobs? I want the workers at places I get food and such from to actually just have good base pay. Tips should be about rewarding going BEYOND the normal... not as a basis of someone's wage.

Yes we can, that's how it works in Sweden and AFAIK in many other European countries. Tips are not expected, and are meant only for extraordinary service. The base pay is decent and so are the benefits like vacation, pension etc.

That's barely the case any more. The amount of gig-economy wage slavery in all countries is sky rocketing. No country is really spared. You can find people everywhere who are juggling e-scooter, ride share, food delivery etc jobs at an excruciating schedule for barely any money.

In Sweden in particular, it seems that the waves of refugees in recent years have only fueled this.

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Post by TheHypnotist »

Reedx wrote: post #242
ravenstine wrote: post #150

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Not all orders are like that, but a lot can be, and it depends on the region. I worked GrubHub back in 2018 when I was between jobs(took some time off to do side projects and did deliveries to make ends meet). These apps play this psychological game on you where you have to accept something like 95% of orders in order to get more quantity and quality(supposedly), so some people are desperate to take all the shitty no…

> the shitty no-tip orders just so they have a shot at getting better ones. Wait a second... Are people not giving a cash tip in these cases? I do no-tip and give cash instead (which I thought was preferred). Is that a bad strategy?

If i read the article correctly, that may be the optimal strategy. Trouble is, if these drivers see what they are making up front, they may be more inclined to turn you down.

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Post by asah »

dmode wrote: post #160

Why can’t we have normal businesses where you employ your workers and charge your customers the real cost of the transaction ? If that is not viable, don’t start the business to begin with. Let’s just go back to first principles, can we ?

competition.

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Post by why-oh-why »

It’s kind of surprising that anyone who works for these services for more than one day keeps working in these conditions. If you made $50 in one day and spent $40 in gas, why work again? Does Doordash pay more initially to “get them hooked?”

It’s definitely predatory practices of people who don’t understand that, after a day of work, you should have more money than what you spent.

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