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What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by Nursie »

eru wrote: post #316
Nursie wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The minimum wage ensures that those 'poor people' can afford to eat. The countries you mention don't need minimum wages set because they have other mechanisms or even just social norms that ensure nobody is having to work 8 jobs to try to feed their kids.

If you want poor people to be able to eat, give them money.

Right, which is exactly what I was saying, those societies mentioned as not having a minimum wage tend to have other mechanisms to either set an effective minimum or structures to help out. It's not like those other countries without minimum wages also give poorer people the finger in every other way, like the US does, and as I imagine would be the case in your (obviously) libertarian fantasy-land.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by Nursie »

eru wrote: post #322
Nursie wrote: post #297

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It's not up to customers if the laws in the US are changed to stop the (IMHO abusive) practice of paying below minimum and then expecting tips to make up the shortfall.

Unless they force people to take jobs at gunpoint (or change agreed contracts after the fact), no wage offered is abusive.

If people are unable to find other work, there is little difference between the gun and starvation. Your views are rather myopic.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by eru »

Nursie wrote: post #331
eru wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want poor people to be able to eat, give them money.

Right, which is exactly what I was saying, those societies mentioned as not having a minimum wage tend to have other mechanisms to either set an effective minimum or structures to help out. It's not like those other countries without minimum wages also give poorer people the finger in every other way, like the US does, and as I imagine would be the case in your (obviously) libertarian fantasy-land.

I live in Singapore. We don't have a minimum wage.

It's a neoliberal fantasy-land, yes. Lee Kuan Yew's autobiography was called "From Third World to First" for good reason.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by Nursie »

eru wrote: post #333
Nursie wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, which is exactly what I was saying, those societies mentioned as not having a minimum wage tend to have other mechanisms to either set an effective minimum or structures to help out. It's not like those other countries without minimum wages also give poorer people the finger in every other way, like the US does, and as I imagine would be the case in your (obviously) libertarian fantasy-land.

I live in Singapore. We don't have a minimum wage. It's a neoliberal fantasy-land, yes. Lee Kuan Yew's autobiography was called "From Third World to First" for good reason.

Might want to update your profile then, it still says London.

What do we know about Singapore? It has masses and masses of public housing, so people are looked after in a way that doesn't happen in the US. The US is very keen to push this sort of thing on employers - see also health insurance.

It's a different model and I would agree probably a worse one, but either way it's the state ensuring people have their basic needs met.

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Post by taneq »

smt88 wrote: post #123
chii wrote: post #115

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> you basically just "borrowed" money from your vehicle. so wouldn't it then make more sense to just sell the vehicle for $10003, then place that money in an interest earning asset like a bond, rather than "borrow" from the value of the vehicle?

Most Americans can't manage daily necessities (groceries, childcare, doctor's visits, etc.) without a car. Then maybe you ask why they don't have a cheaper car. Generally, a cheaper car costs far more to maintain. The total annual cost of ownership of a 2-year-old Camry is far lower than a 10-year-old Camry. But to get that lower cost, you have to temporarily convert more of your money into that car asset. End result…

> The total annual cost of ownership of a 2-year-old Camry is far lower than a 10-year-old Camry.

Really? Maybe 10 years ago but cars have become remarkably good recently. I wouldn’t expect a 10 year old car to give you many problems beyond maybe the difficulty of sourcing parts.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by taneq »

jiofih wrote: post #227
smt88 wrote: post #123

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Most Americans can't manage daily necessities (groceries, childcare, doctor's visits, etc.) without a car. Then maybe you ask why they don't have a cheaper car. Generally, a cheaper car costs far more to maintain. The total annual cost of ownership of a 2-year-old Camry is far lower than a 10-year-old Camry. But to get that lower cost, you have to temporarily convert more of your money into that car asset. End result…

This whole economic trap is so undeniably American, it’s hard to deal with the urge to laugh mixed with drear for the people subjected to it :/

The trap’s there for everyone. It was almost certainly a thing in 1800s London before it was ever an “American thing”.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by lr4444lr »

wayanon wrote: post #336

Is there no payment in the US to parents from the Gov for parents? Eg in UK there is ‘child benefit’. An amount of money paid per child.

The Earned Income Tax Credit essentially does this, as does the general tax exemptions you can declare by having dependents.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by ericmay »

Aozi wrote: post #327
eru wrote: post #265

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Germany didn't even have a minimum wage until fairly recently. The Scandinavian countries don't have a minimum wage either, see eg https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/12/nordic-countri... Neither does Switzerland. What's with the American obsession with outlawing poor people's jobs? (My adopted home country, one of the richest places in the world and one of the best places to live, doesn't have a minimum wage…

You're right that those countries don't have a government mandated minimum wage. That doesn't mean there is no minimum wage in practice though. Scandinavian countries have massive powerful trade unions that work to negotiate standards and wages for everyone. Even if you're not actively part of a union, your employer will almost certainly use Collective Labor Agreement negotiated by the trade union. This CLA guarantee…

Even with unions this probably wouldn’t happen in America. People just don’t organize, strike, or care about their civic duties or expressing their opinion. I don’t know what happened to us. Maybe we’re all just lazy now?

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by mlrtime »

dmode wrote: post #160

Why can’t we have normal businesses where you employ your workers and charge your customers the real cost of the transaction ? If that is not viable, don’t start the business to begin with. Let’s just go back to first principles, can we ?

Sure, and get rid of tips everywhere.
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