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I hope this spurs the government into action. NYC is absolutely flooded with perfectly legitimate looking vape cartridges filled with questionable product. They're often sold as being from a "dispensary brand" although they're obviously not. As an example, these were readily available for years despite the fact that the brand never even existed in the first place: https://merryjane.com/culture/are-smart-cart-vapes-le…
I hope this spurs the government into action. NYC is absolutely flooded with perfectly legitimate looking vape cartridges filled with questionable product. They're often sold as being from a "dispensary brand" although they're obviously not. As an example, these were readily available for years despite the fact that the brand never even existed in the first place: https://merryjane.com/culture/are-smart-cart-vapes-le…
How would the government identify what is legitimate?
This seems to be a rather simplistic/one-sided answer furthering a specific agenda. * The responses that don't fit the narrative that 'legal' vaping is safe are'explained away' in this article - that's just unscientific and a matter of ignoring contrary evidence. * There are other dangers to vaping ignored in the argument (eg addiction, kids starting even earlier if there's 'bubblegum' or 'cherry' flavour rather than…
Harm minimization is the key to A. Is the system better or worse with regulated (sue-able!) market? Studies seem to show that we generally over-restrict relatively safe substances.
I hope this spurs the government into action. NYC is absolutely flooded with perfectly legitimate looking vape cartridges filled with questionable product. They're often sold as being from a "dispensary brand" although they're obviously not. As an example, these were readily available for years despite the fact that the brand never even existed in the first place: https://merryjane.com/culture/are-smart-cart-vapes-le…
How would the government identify what is legitimate?
As someone outside the US who has to work with the FDA, Americans should be very proud of how thorough FDA inspectors are at auditing and how good they are at identifying non-conformances and just plain criminal lack of due diligence.
There is a database of 'offenders' that are no longer allowed to sell their products it's seriously scary what some companies/people are willing to do for a quick buck.
You could argue that in the US there is a considerable amount of lobbying and influence that defeats the impartiality of some federal bodies but overall they do an amazing job at keep everyone safe.
I hope this spurs the government into action. NYC is absolutely flooded with perfectly legitimate looking vape cartridges filled with questionable product. They're often sold as being from a "dispensary brand" although they're obviously not. As an example, these were readily available for years despite the fact that the brand never even existed in the first place: https://merryjane.com/culture/are-smart-cart-vapes-le…
How would the government identify what is legitimate?
However, you could be driving down a major street in LA and see a highly advertised dispensary with neon lights and a guy dancing with a sign in the road, and it still could be an unlicensed dispensary.
Enforcement is practically nonexistent, but when they do crack down they like to make it a big show with a dozen cops with long arms and body armor pushing the kid at the counter working minimum wage to the ground, handcuffing everybody. Then they just fine the owner and close the store and the cuffs come off and everyone goes home. It's surreal.
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Except Montana, and afaik other places, banned forms of nicotine vaping in response to this. Also the general public seems to think it's related to nicotine, not thc.
San Francisco, too?
This seems to be a rather simplistic/one-sided answer furthering a specific agenda. * The responses that don't fit the narrative that 'legal' vaping is safe are'explained away' in this article - that's just unscientific and a matter of ignoring contrary evidence. * There are other dangers to vaping ignored in the argument (eg addiction, kids starting even earlier if there's 'bubblegum' or 'cherry' flavour rather than…
There is simply no plausible way it's not.
> Will flavoured vaping (...) get more young people and even children interested and hooked? Absolutely.
What is known about cigarette and nicotine addiction makes it actually quite unlikely. Nicotine alone does not seem that addictive, in any case it's definitely much less addictive than nicotine plus the combustion products found in tobacco. Cf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16177026
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How would the government identify what is legitimate?
Regulate the same way the FDA regulates all other products. As someone outside the US who has to work with the FDA, Americans should be very proud of how thorough FDA inspectors are at auditing and how good they are at identifying non-conformances and just plain criminal lack of due diligence. There is a database of 'offenders' that are no longer allowed to sell their products it's seriously scary what some companies…
Put another way, why do we think the solution for people with no integrity or no clue or both trying to make money out of vaping (Juul included) is to spend taxpayers money helping them behave themselves?
I find this attitude pretty crazy to be frank. Consider that whatever happens from here, however much joy everybody gets from vaping and blowing smoke in the future, it isn’t ever going to be worth 50 dead people.
There is that, and then Juul pretending to be a benefit to society while getting children addicted to nicotine and then selling themselves to big tobacco... what exactly is the benefit of vaping? The argument it minimises the harm from smoking is nonsense and unproven. There are well established methods of reducing smoking on a societal level (put up the taxes), which return money to the government to pay for all the negative externalities of smoking which big tobacco isn’t held accountable for.
Anyway, the USA has a funny attitude about these things. Personal choice and optionality are considered paramount. Someone else can pick up the pieces. Applying it everywhere is obviously flawed if you ask me.
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The stories were never about cannabis vaping either. They were about adulterated cannabis extract vaping. Someone using a cannabis flower vaporizer (e.g. PAX 2/3, Firefly, Arizer, Volcano) with pure lab tested flower was never at risk for the lung disease that vitamin E acetate has caused. The linked article doesn't mention vitamin E acetate, so here's one that discusses it: https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/20/210317…
> pure lab tested flower There has been some trouble with that too. Washington state doesn't require lab testing for pesticides, and in other states there have been cases of fraudulent testing ( https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/industry-insiders-warn... https://www.leafly.com/news/industry/sequoia-analytics-surre... ) The industry is still maturing and I'm confident things will get better with time. But for the…
This seems to be a rather simplistic/one-sided answer furthering a specific agenda. * The responses that don't fit the narrative that 'legal' vaping is safe are'explained away' in this article - that's just unscientific and a matter of ignoring contrary evidence. * There are other dangers to vaping ignored in the argument (eg addiction, kids starting even earlier if there's 'bubblegum' or 'cherry' flavour rather than…
It would be great if we had the time to collect all the answers around vaping, but we don't. People are dying of tobacco related health issues right now, and vaping looks to be a healthier alternative that can be extremely effective at helping addicts reduce tobacco consumption. I think you underestimate the health impacts of smoking, nearly 20% of deaths in the USA are caused by smoking according to the US government: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/heal...
This article is a reaction to the heavy handed reaction of the US government. Rather than implementing sensible regulation like manufacturing standards, age restrictions, nicotine content limits, state & federal governments are reacting by banning flavors, or banning vaping companies from manufacturing their products as helping quit tobacco.