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Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by kjhghjkjh »

ldng wrote: post #62
masklinn wrote: post #37

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> and that will ensure that Nokia remains relevant. Nokia becoming a WP7 OEM does not make them relevant. They're going to go the same path as they would have had they gone with Android instead: just another phone OEM. Though between WP7 and Android, WP7 is probably a much better choice for them.

Could you elaborate on that please ? Personally I fail to see in what this choice is better, maybe I missed something.

With Wp7 they are the preferred Wp7 platform. So every business that must buy Microsoft - because it's Microsoft - will now buy Nokia phones.

With Android they would be competing to differentiate themselves from high end Korean makers and a bunch of cheap chinese makers - based on what?

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by unp3rs0n »

marshray wrote: post #81
Yzupnick wrote: post #79

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Xbox for one

Looking at the numbers here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_... it looks to me like Xbox has been successful and competes well with the PS3 in North America, but has dismal acceptance in Japan. But both of them are trailing behind the Wii. So that's clearly a success compared to the Windows-on-phones idea, but I don't think it counts as having "crushed the competition".

Xbox has been the highest selling console for six straight months now. Expect that to continue given how wildly popular Kinect has been over the holiday season.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by threepointone »

paolomaffei wrote: post #54

Wasn't the 3310 the Nokia high point?

+1. what a gorgeous little phone that was. I honestly still believe that, for that time (and a few years beyond it), the 3310 was the best phone a non-business type could have. The buttons on it were perfect, and no one did t9 like it.

/nostalgia.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by unp3rs0n »

davidw wrote: post #12
pietrofmaggi wrote: post #6

The main problem of the late Nokia is the (lack of) speed in innovation. If they jump on the Android boat they'll have to fight against Samsung, Motorola, HTC, LG, etc.. Look at the current performance of Sony-Ericsson. On the Windows Phone 7 boat they are the big fish, and they can try to deliver some good products without to much competition (in the WP7 environment).

Microsoft does not want a platform dominated by one hardware manufacturer. Their interest is for Nokia to be the Compaq of phones, or something along those lines. There's no way that Nokia can really own the platform so that the same stuff that runs on their phones won't run on other phones in the future. Microsoft owns it, period. With Android, being open source, they would have had a bit more leverage.

Android is already saturated with almost all hardware vendors jumping in and entry of low cost Chinese handsets. Microsoft may own it, but remember that they are an upstart now in the mobile business, not an established player. I am pretty sure this deal would allow them a lot more leverage to influence the OS design and software. Pretty much like the early WinTel era.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by jogjayr »

So months ago, using an external OS (Android) was like "Finnis boys peeing their pants to keep warm", but now it's a good strategic partnership? And especially given Elop's very recent Microsoft ties, could there possibly be some other agenda?

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by wazoox »

bad_user wrote: post #58
neutronicus wrote: post #45

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I don't think it's the same at all. All I use on my Android phone is e-mail, maps, the browser, and general phone stuff - honestly, I would trade the entire app store for a little more reliability and a better touch screen.

That's why I bought an iPhone; even though I'll never buy a Macbook or other Apple products. Being able to sync contacts / calendar back and forth to my Google Apps account is priceless.

Works fine with android or WebOs too. What's the point?

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by tikkes »

marshray wrote: post #96
ashr wrote: post #64

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The way I see it Microsoft brings a lot to the table that only a few could: A fresh new OS in WP7, cloud computing infrastructure, it's own gaming ecosystem in XBox platform and its UX integration with the phone OS etc among other things. So I don't see that choosing WP7 (over Android?) is such a bad deal for Nokia. It wasn't a very long time ago that Android ecosystem wasn't very appealing to the mobile developers a…

Partnerships with Microsoft very rarely work out to the other business' advantage, unless it was their goal all along to be acquired by MS or be nothing more than a commodity hardware vendor. We'll know this is the case if Nokia announces "the new Nokia Online Superstore where you get all your WindowsTM-compatible accessories at discount prices".

Microsoft has not "bought" Nokia, it's just merely a cooperation between the two companies...don't see the hazzle about all this really

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by ansible »

_b8r0 wrote: post #95
ansible wrote: post #88

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Years ago it seemed to me that Symbian was a dead-end. Just reading about the programmer APIs was enough to convince me of that. Motorola finally realized that P2K and their other proprietary stuff wasn't going to cut it for the future. Most of these mobile phone OSs were designed for very small, resource-constrained devices. Which is fine... that's all that was viable in the market at the time. But they weren't desi…

That's a good comment, but bear in mind that the MP support in the 90s was Pentium Pro only (and expanded to x86/64). While multi-processing algorithms can be generalised, they're best when they're optimal for the architecture they're running on. MP on Arm is quite different when it comes to things like thumbing and pipelining compared to x86. I only know this because I did some work on Arm 7 after doing some MP work…

Oh, indeed. My point was that the rest of the kernel (VFS, device drivers, etc.) was already fairly well prepared for MP when ARM multicore came into the picture.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by ansible »

cincinnatus wrote: post #27

A fair bit of hyperbole and fanboy-ism happening here. Which is completely understandable. It is pretty clear that WP7 is not Windows Mobile, that Microsoft does in fact finally get it. Jumping on the Android bandwagon is not in any way clearly a better or safer move. In fact from a market perspective those waters are considerably more bloody and getting worse every day. This is a desperation play by Nokia in the hig…

Yes, this is a desperation play. Ideally, they'd have made this decision 2 years ago, and already be shipping their first few WP7 phones.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by radioactive21 »

maxklein wrote: post #34

When I read such articles, that's when you realise that people are resistant to change. It's like those people still using Windows XP because it's the best. Tech is in constant change, but at some point, some people just give up and decide not to join in anymore: not to make facebook accounts, not to join twitter, not to upgrade their OS, not to switch browser. That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the c…

Just think of Jerry Yang from Yahoo!. How did avoiding a buyout from Microsoft turn out? Yea not so good.

Jerry's heart was in the right place, trying to be a rebel and avoid a big bad company coming in, but he completely ignored the business side. The truth was Yahoo! just had bad management, and it started with him.

But having said that, I hope Elop made the right move by putting all his eggs in one basket because they will be thrown back at his face.

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