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Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by haraball »

michael_dorfman wrote: post #8
bambax wrote: post #3

This post is so true and so sad. > most of Nokia's brand loyalty is because of the indestructible and unbelievably reliable phones they made in the 90's, since then they've been steadily dropping on that front Nokia phones are still the most reliable and solid, by far... for now.

Really? Here in Norway, people are complaining constantly about a few Nokia models that are notorious for bad reliability, and I've never heard complaints about iPhones, for example. If Nokia phones are actually "the most reliable and solid, by far", they've got a serious perception problem in the marketplace, at least in these parts.

My perception of this is a bit different; Nokias and iPhones are the most seen brands on the different meetings I attend, and especially the E-series from Nokia which are considered solid and straight to the point for busy business people.

(I'm also in Norway)

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by davidw »

pietrofmaggi wrote: post #6

The main problem of the late Nokia is the (lack of) speed in innovation. If they jump on the Android boat they'll have to fight against Samsung, Motorola, HTC, LG, etc.. Look at the current performance of Sony-Ericsson. On the Windows Phone 7 boat they are the big fish, and they can try to deliver some good products without to much competition (in the WP7 environment).

Microsoft does not want a platform dominated by one hardware manufacturer. Their interest is for Nokia to be the Compaq of phones, or something along those lines.

There's no way that Nokia can really own the platform so that the same stuff that runs on their phones won't run on other phones in the future. Microsoft owns it, period. With Android, being open source, they would have had a bit more leverage.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by [deleted] »

pietrofmaggi wrote: post #6

The main problem of the late Nokia is the (lack of) speed in innovation. If they jump on the Android boat they'll have to fight against Samsung, Motorola, HTC, LG, etc.. Look at the current performance of Sony-Ericsson. On the Windows Phone 7 boat they are the big fish, and they can try to deliver some good products without to much competition (in the WP7 environment).

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Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by silvestrov »

wippler wrote: post #4

I think the post is unnecessarily harsh on both Nokia and Microsoft. Windows Phone is now a lot better and is comparable with iOS/Android, only thing it is lacking is apps. Nokia making this decision much late in the game clearly knows that Microsoft also came late to the game. It needs MS as much as MS needs Nokia. Together with huge marketing muscle of MS, they can surely make something out of the partnership.

Missing apps is like being BeOS: you can be the best OS in the world, but without apps you are not going to sell.

App-less, you are nothing in this product segment.

Besides, their Mac support is not that great, no support for syncing calendars. This is not 90'ies anymore, you need Mac support at this time to get the teenagers and cool people to use your product.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by patorjk »

noonespecial wrote: post #9

The whole thing feels like shark-jumping if you ask me. I'd watch Nokia stock today and see if investors don't agree. I'm betting they do. I wish I knew a damn thing about investing, I'd short this one for sure.

It's down 7.8% this morning (pre-market), so you may be right.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by latch »

Some reports suggested that [considerable] money was part of the deal. Do we know for sure whether this is or isn't the case?

"Microsoft invests $300 million in a strategic partnership with Nokia" is a lot different than "Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0."

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by detst »

Kilimanjaro wrote: post #10
noonespecial wrote: post #9

The whole thing feels like shark-jumping if you ask me. I'd watch Nokia stock today and see if investors don't agree. I'm betting they do. I wish I knew a damn thing about investing, I'd short this one for sure.

Like jumping from a burning platform to shark-infested waters?

... as Google hovered with their Android rescue helicopters?

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by daliusd »

michael_dorfman wrote: post #8
bambax wrote: post #3

This post is so true and so sad. > most of Nokia's brand loyalty is because of the indestructible and unbelievably reliable phones they made in the 90's, since then they've been steadily dropping on that front Nokia phones are still the most reliable and solid, by far... for now.

Really? Here in Norway, people are complaining constantly about a few Nokia models that are notorious for bad reliability, and I've never heard complaints about iPhones, for example. If Nokia phones are actually "the most reliable and solid, by far", they've got a serious perception problem in the marketplace, at least in these parts.

The last complain about iPhone I heard was from Norway: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Extreme-Cold-Causes-iPhone-to...

I would like to see statistical information how people perceive reliability of their phones. I have 3 years old Nokia smartphone and I'm constantly dropping it on hard surfaces.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by dagw »

patorjk wrote: post #15
noonespecial wrote: post #9

The whole thing feels like shark-jumping if you ask me. I'd watch Nokia stock today and see if investors don't agree. I'm betting they do. I wish I knew a damn thing about investing, I'd short this one for sure.

It's down 7.8% this morning (pre-market), so you may be right.

Currently down -8.9%, with a massive spike in trading volume, on the Finnish and Swedish stock markets after a few hours of trading. However it opened more than 10% down so it's picked up a bit during trading
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