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Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by takeda »

pier25 wrote: post #297
takeda wrote: post #270

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> It also misses important features such as multilingual spell checking. For people writing in multiple languages it's a real PITA. I know this functionality can be added with an extension but it slows down FF too much IMO. Really? Do you learn a new language every day? I installed languages that I am interested years ago and forgot about it until you mentioned it.

Yeah but you don't have spell checking on all these languages unless you manually switch between those. I write in 4 languages so it's quite annoying to do that every time. In Chrome there is multilingual spell checking even when you mix languages in the same sentence.

oh my bad, I misunderstood what he meant.

Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by tomrod »

The_rationalist wrote: post #339
la_fayette wrote: post #191

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Cpu usage of chrome is higher on chrome on mobile. Cpu affects battery life more than memory... so firefox is a good choice on mobile.

Websites are not tested for Firefox for Android.

Indeed. I keep Brave around just to handle the 5% of sites that are decidedly not FF friendly.

FF -- fix text sizing. As an example, old-style Reddit renders wonderfully on Brave and terribly terribly small on FF mobile. Another tester site is BOFH.

Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by wwright »

doublekill wrote: post #272
eschaton wrote: post #239

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Don’t sanitize it, he was fired for being anti-gay. That should make it a little clearer why funders won’t touch him (and many won’t touch his new work).

Did he not donate to a legal political cause, without publicizing it? I doubt funders care about your opinions on gay marriage, but they do care a lot about the stink the cancel culture raised around him. The poison seems to be applied externally.

Legality and morality are very often unrelated; in this case, the implication is not that he did something illegal, but that he is an asshole for spending his money for the purpose of making other people’s lives worse to the benefit of nobody.

Personally, I think that’s a perfectly good reason for not giving him more money.

“Cancel culture” is many people (many of whom matter to investors in one way or another) stating that they also feel that that is a bad place to put money.

Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by robotron »

RaptorJ wrote: post #349
reaperducer wrote: post #279

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I switched to FF 4 months ago and while the engine and dev tools are great it's simply not as polished as the competition. The polish of developer tools has exactly zero to do with a browser's popular marketshare.

Well maybe not exactly zero, more devs using FF tools --> more websites designed to be optimized for FF first.

If you optimize for your devs use and not your users there's a problem.

Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

fock wrote: post #260
throwaway123x2 wrote: post #185

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It's crazy how much FF's marketshare has dropped. It's such a great browser.

given Mozillas funding and the fact that most users don't care about browser marketing (except for sneaky performance "tricks" or Google's "want some more speed"-in your face mechanism) I really think, they should focus on the core (e.g. building a browser) and just leave politics (e.g. "safe-sync", "better media integration" - e.g. pocket) out of it completely... And yeah, I'd be more than happy to subscribe to my b…

> politics (e. g. “safe-sync”)

I’m continually impressed by what people are willing to label “politics”. And by how badly people must hate whatever they understand “politics” to be.

Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by zelly »

bscphil wrote: post #385
zelly wrote: post #240

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Why not do if for less, if you are so dedicated to the supposed Mozilla cause? It is a non-profit after all. Random non-profit: Goodwill (way bigger than Mozilla) CEO makes $1,114,375[1]. PETA's CEO makes $31,285[2]. TOR Project executives receive $0 compensation[3]. [1] https://paddockpost.com/2018/02/03/executive-salaries-at-goo... [2] https://www.peta.org/misc/how-much-money-does-ingrid-newkirk... [3] https://www.…

> PETA's CEO makes $31,285[2]. TOR Project executives receive $0 compensation[3]. I'm inclined to agree with you, but I think there must be something missing here. Are they receiving some other form of compensation? How much does the median PETA employee make? More than that, I hope!

It seems about median.

> Thirty-seven percent of PETA’s dedicated staff earn between $30,000 and $44,999, including President Ingrid Newkirk, who made $31,285 during the fiscal year ending July 31, 2016. Seven percent of PETA’s dedicated staff only earn between $16,000 and $29,999, and the remaining 56 percent make more than $45,000 per year. Most staff members give a portion of their earnings back to PETA’s lifesaving programs through payroll deductions.

https://www.peta.org/misc/how-much-money-does-ingrid-newkirk...

Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by squarefoot »

pier25 wrote: post #321
squarefoot wrote: post #305

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It is a great browser, once we agree on priorities on what they should be great at. All modern browsers suck badly wrt UI. User interfaces dumbed down to unusability is the new fashion and both Chrome and Mozilla suffer equally from that (which is why I use Waterfox Classic). But while FF focuses on privacy, and definitely delivers in this context, Chrome and others don't, by design. I would happily trade 50% of ever…

It's not one or the other. FF could have the best UI and the best privacy features.

Very true, but it costs money and neither Google's browser with their nearly infinite resources has them. FF might just need more time to implement them properly; I only wish they didn't fall into the dumbed down UI fashion like they did when they copied from others the "let's fill the main page with junk and remove a perfectly working configuration panel completely".

Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by saagarjha »

banachtarski wrote: post #302
saagarjha wrote: post #225

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Yes.

Honestly calling BS. Just writing a javascript runtime alone isn't just a "handful of engineers." WebGL stack? WebRTC? Layout engine/compositor? Notifications? You're kidding me, there is no small team in the world that could ship a browser stack end to end.

> Just writing a javascript runtime alone isn't just a "handful of engineers."

But it is. You can verify it yourself: https://github.com/WebKit/webkit/commits/master/Source/JavaS...

> You're kidding me, there is no small team in the world that could ship a browser stack end to end.

https://webkit.org/team/, ⌘F "Apple". Balance the people on that list who have left or are assigned to work on something else with those who aren't listed there.

Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by ryuukk_ »

shawndrost wrote: post #189
petagonoral wrote: post #35

in 2018, mozilla had 368 million USD in assets: 2018 financials: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-fdn-201... wow, 2.5 million for the executive chair of Mozilla in 2018. is that person really bringing 2.5 millions dollar worth of value to the company. this is in addition to the 2.x million from the year before. 10s of million exfiltrated out of a non-profit by one person over the last few years. n…

The person we're talking about is Mitchell Baker, who has spent over 20 years contributing to Mozilla, including years as a volunteer. She has been on Time's 100 most influential people list. She has directly authored many foundational pieces of Mozilla and (arguably) the internet. She is the founding CEO of the Mozilla Corporation, which pays her paycheck from its ~$500M in revenue. Mozilla Corp is the highly-profit…

and look at the result, Firefox only 5% usershare, and yet she got even more money

i keep repeat it

mozilla is a shady org

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