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Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by pier25 »

squarefoot wrote: post #305
pier25 wrote: post #255

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Hmm I don't know. I switched to FF 4 months ago and while the engine and dev tools are great, it's simply not as polished as the competition. For example just look at the alert popups[0], or the non native contextual menus, or the video pop icon. The UI is full of little quirks like that. The tab bar is by far the ugliest one of all current browsers, at least on macOS. It also misses important features such as multil…

It is a great browser, once we agree on priorities on what they should be great at. All modern browsers suck badly wrt UI. User interfaces dumbed down to unusability is the new fashion and both Chrome and Mozilla suffer equally from that (which is why I use Waterfox Classic). But while FF focuses on privacy, and definitely delivers in this context, Chrome and others don't, by design. I would happily trade 50% of ever…

It's not one or the other. FF could have the best UI and the best privacy features.

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Post by dom96 »

i_dursun wrote: post #152
throwaway17_17 wrote: post #89

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You could feel that Rust as a programming language is the greatest thing to ever happen to computer science, the big question for a corporation’s C-suite is can it make money. I’d assume (perfect possible that I’m wrong) that Rust does nothing but cost money for Mozilla. This is not to say I think it will be cancelled or force to expatriate and become a separate legal entity, but management is beholden to shareholder…

Rust is not a Mozilla product. It is heavily used at and funded by Mozilla but they have almost zero influence over the direction of the language. Actually, this kind of perception is the reason that they have been recently talking about forming a Rust Foundation. http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2020/01/09/towa...

> Rust is not a Mozilla product.

Would Rust be where it is today if it wasn't for Mozilla's clout?

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Post by fralewsmi »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #164
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #54

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> is that person really bringing 2.5 millions dollar worth of value to the company. Probably not but that is what the market cost is. I have no doubt the executive chair of Mozilla has other offers.

>Probably not but that is what the market cost is. Is it really? The average pay for the CEO of a company of Mozilla's size is somewhere around $800,000 according to [1]. And a pretty large chunk of that is performance related. Of course salaries may vary a lot between industries, but given Mozilla's performance, their CEO's salary appears to be on the high side. [1] https://chiefexecutive.net/ceo-and-senior-executiv…

Less true if you consider only tech ceo salaries

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Post by Eikon »

xmprt wrote: post #235
paul7986 wrote: post #203

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Seems odd in his tweet he noted he was unable to get funding in the valley for Brave. The guy created JavaScript and was a creator of Firefox. Don't get it ..as JS alone has contributed like how much to world economies, as well to almost every HN reader's wallet/bank.

Creating a language 20 years ago doesn't mean you're responsible for everything the language produced. If javascript didn't exist something different would have taken it's place and produced just as much value.

Not to mention the original Javascript was pretty much only good at making snow animations on your website when winter was coming.

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Post by cosmodisk »

shpeedy wrote: post #309
throwaway123x2 wrote: post #185

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It's crazy how much FF's marketshare has dropped. It's such a great browser.

Firefox eats memory. 4GB of memory is barely enough to run browser and show few tabs.

And this was one of the reasons I switched to Chrome many years ago.

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Post by cookie_monsta »

phonon wrote: post #282
shawndrost wrote: post #189

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The person we're talking about is Mitchell Baker, who has spent over 20 years contributing to Mozilla, including years as a volunteer. She has been on Time's 100 most influential people list. She has directly authored many foundational pieces of Mozilla and (arguably) the internet. She is the founding CEO of the Mozilla Corporation, which pays her paycheck from its ~$500M in revenue. Mozilla Corp is the highly-profit…

She also wrote this incredibly rude and grotesque obituary for Gervase Markham after he died of cancer (working for Mozilla until the end). You are welcome to disagree, but Gerv contributed just as much to Mozilla as Mitchell did. https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2018/08/07/in-memoriam-gerva...

Sorry, which bits are incredibly rude and grotesque? It reads like an honest appraisal of a person that the author has known for many years (and disagreed with occasionally as humans do)

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Post by fencepost »

usr1106 wrote: post #271
fencepost wrote: post #212

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Could you clarify "recently" a bit more? Clearly it's after the release of uBlock Origin, but I'm pretty sure that there was a big effort to clean up memory use a few years ago. Maybe it's poor Linux support, I have a distressingly high 4 digit number of tabs open on a Windows box and I don't think I've seen it go past 8gb with multiple weeks of runtime. Edit: Win10 Pro on a Xeon with 48gb ram available

What do you with a 4 digit number of tabs? How can you even find what you are looking for? (Honest question, no attack) I hardly ever have more than 10 tabs open, and aggressively close everything I am not working with. I also shut down my browser twice a day (2 working locations) and never restore the previous session. I do bookmark some pages, but as a matter of fact I notice that I hardly ever refer to my bookmark…

What do you with a 4 digit number of tabs?

Fail to go back and clear them out, mostly. Most were left open because of something relevant at the time, so I mostly need to spend a little time going through and nuking or nothing. There's been little friction due to leaving them open so it hasn't been a priority.

Pretty much the same thing that leaves some people with tens of thousands of messages in their inboxes (I deal with someone who does that and it makes my teeth itch, so my inbox isn't so bad).

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Post by shpeedy »

fencepost wrote: post #212
zelly wrote: post #171

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If there's anything they need to axe, it's the Gecko team. Just replace it with V8. The whole layout engine too--replace it with Blink. It is inevitable, so might as well get over with it now and save the wasted human effort and $$$. I tried to use Firefox recently. It leaked 28 GiB of RAM on x86_64 GNU/Linux with no extensions except uBlock Origin. Happened a few times over the month whenever I visited JS-heavy webs…

Could you clarify "recently" a bit more? Clearly it's after the release of uBlock Origin, but I'm pretty sure that there was a big effort to clean up memory use a few years ago. Maybe it's poor Linux support, I have a distressingly high 4 digit number of tabs open on a Windows box and I don't think I've seen it go past 8gb with multiple weeks of runtime. Edit: Win10 Pro on a Xeon with 48gb ram available

Previously, Firefox was fine on computer with 2GB of memory and hundreds of tabs. Now, 8GB is not enough.

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Post by burkaman »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #262
eschaton wrote: post #239

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Don’t sanitize it, he was fired for being anti-gay. That should make it a little clearer why funders won’t touch him (and many won’t touch his new work).

I did not know that. It is odd though. I used to remember no one cared what about your Views as long as you were good at what you did. CS was as close to meritocracy as it could have been. It is a shame.

> I used to remember no one cared what about your Views as long as you were good at what you did.

This has never been true in any field in any place in the history of the world.

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