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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by wayneftw »

d1zzy wrote: post #193
wayneftw wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Microsoft tracking "even worse" than Google tracking? I'm pretty sure Google has infected more of the Internet than Microsoft.

> Why is Microsoft tracking "even worse" than Google tracking? Without specifics is hard to know what the message you replied to meant but one thing where I find MS tracking worse than anything Google can do on the Internet right now is that MS tracks and reports my local OS use (what applications I install/run, how long I run them, what files I have) while an Internet tracker can only get access to what the browser…

I use a Linux desktop and I’m looking forward to using MS Edge there when it is released so I guess I don’t have that concern.

I’m already using it on my Mac.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by int_19h »

swebs wrote: post #142
dessant wrote: post #99

I have published some of my extensions for the new Edge browser on their store [1], the submission experience was straightforward and pleasant, and the extensions were published in a couple of days after manual review. Updates were also reviewed and published in a timely manner. More importantly, during extension submissions and reviews I did not feel abused as a developer, something which I cannot say about the Chro…

Phrasing it as a dichotomy like that is pretty dishonest, especially how Firefox is twice as popular than Edge [1] and is free open source software that doesn't spy on you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Su...

The dichotomy comes up because the new Edge supports Chrome extensions. So it's literally the same code being submitted to both stores, which makes it more of an apples-to-apples comparison.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by the8472 »

kodablah wrote: post #101
_bxg1 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just thinking, "Why isn't there an Electron for Firefox?"

They worked on it a bit [0] but it has been abandoned along with all the other embedding efforts over time. As someone who embeds Chromium (via CEF) only because it's easy, I would really appreciate (and have been shouting into the wind about) focus on the embeddability of Gecko. 0 - https://github.com/mozilla/positron

Long before positron (and electron) there was XULrunner.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by ewgoforth »

darekkay wrote: post #248
duxup wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a noob web dev working in a small shop that sells a niche SaaS product. We had a customer push us to support Edge. The dev team (3 dudes) just looked at eachother and laid down the "No, Firefox or Chrome...". It's just so much pressure to dance around the "this one does this, that one doesn't" and generally we rarely run into any Firefox and Chrome issues. Edge, just not worth it for a small team. I'm glad we pro…

To be fair, Edge has a good feature support (check caniuse.com). It would be interesting to know what the exact issues your app has with the browser. Otherwise it sounds more like your devs like to use some vendor-specific hacks and blame Edge for it. I know there are some Flexbox things to consider, but nothing a small team can't handle. IE11 is another story, though.

I'd also be curious to know what features that Edge doesn't support. I know it doesn't do everything Chrome does, but I haven't run into any scenarios that Edge didn't support in a long time.

It's a pet peeve of mine that apps don't support Edge/Trident, Vivaldi, etc. It's easier to write cross-browser code than ever, but it seems like we're in the process of reverting back to the bad old days when IE6 was the only browser people supported, but it's Chrome now instead of IE.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by 300bps »

sime2009 wrote: post #184

Regarding the topic of browser mono-cultures, I was web developer in the post browser war era in the early 2000s where we had a dominant IE6 and a stagnant browser landscape. It was bad. Real bad. But I'm actually fairly positive about MS getting into the chromium landscape and back into the game. Let's face it MS had lost all of its influence in the browser world before dropping IE and making this move. It is a Goog…

I agree that this is a good thing.

I also called for it to happen over 5.5 years ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909383

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by noisem4ker »

dataflow wrote: post #134
c-smile wrote: post #76

What happened with font rendering? Fonts are rendered with thinner lines in new Edge (on the left): http://terrainformatica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IE-fo... Such rendering does not match rest of Windows... New Edge is definitely less readable, and Google Chrome exhibits the same problem.

Left side is actually sharp, with subpixel smoothing. Right side is awful (just like many parts of post-Vista Windows) with apparent grayscale AA. This is something they actually got right; it's one thing that was terrible about IE and the old Edge, and that I'd bet was subconsciously turning many people off (in my case, consciously making me want to tear my eyes out). If you can't see the difference, open dev consol…

>Right side is awful (just like many parts of post-Vista Windows) with apparent grayscale AA

By "post-Vista" you mean Windows 8 and later? Vista and 7 (its refinement) were the peak of subpixel-antialiased ClearType with the Segoe font. It was with Metro and its animated, rotation-enabled, mobile-first design language that antialiasing was downgraded to greyscale.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by SBArbeit »

amyjess wrote: post #66

Everything I've heard is that touch support is completely destroyed in this one. This completely destroys my main use case for my Surface. I need a tablet with a web browser that's designed to be used in portrait mode without the Type Cover attached. Can anyone here recommend a UWP web browser I can switch to when the real Edge goes away for good? Or if none exists, can someone recommend a cheap 12"+ tablet that runs…

I've been using Edge Dev on my Surface Laptop 2 for months now... touch support is just as good as it's always been.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by adventist »

duxup wrote: post #232
sime2009 wrote: post #184

Regarding the topic of browser mono-cultures, I was web developer in the post browser war era in the early 2000s where we had a dominant IE6 and a stagnant browser landscape. It was bad. Real bad. But I'm actually fairly positive about MS getting into the chromium landscape and back into the game. Let's face it MS had lost all of its influence in the browser world before dropping IE and making this move. It is a Goog…

I'm a noob web dev working in a small shop that sells a niche SaaS product. We had a customer push us to support Edge. The dev team (3 dudes) just looked at eachother and laid down the "No, Firefox or Chrome...". It's just so much pressure to dance around the "this one does this, that one doesn't" and generally we rarely run into any Firefox and Chrome issues. Edge, just not worth it for a small team. I'm glad we pro…

Yeah it would be interesting to hear of the feature that Edge could not support.
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