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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Meaningless. There are people claiming with a straight face that targeted ads make user experience better. Wholesale collection and aggregation of personal user data will continue unabated.

Curious, why would targeted ads make the user experience worse? (putting privacy aside)

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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Linked at https://microsoftedgewelcome.microsoft.com/en-us/privacy : "We will honor your choices about browsing data and collect only what is needed to make your experiences better."

Meaningless. There are people claiming with a straight face that targeted ads make user experience better. Wholesale collection and aggregation of personal user data will continue unabated.

It's only meaningless because "only what is needed to make your experiences better" means anything that is useful for advertisers. I've never seen a company that purported to be more benign than that.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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I wish they had thrown in with helping Firefox instead of handing even more web influence over to Google. A percentage of what Microsoft spent on EdgeHTML contributed to the Firefox project—ideally as employee time—would go a long way, along with the counterbalance of putting the Firefox engine and code base front and center of more Windows users.

Sadly Chromium is WAYYYY easier to development on than Firefox. Had Mozilla spent effort making the base of it as a framework in the same way Chromium is, they may have considered it. There is a reason why Electron, QT etc use Chromium.

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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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I wish they had thrown in with helping Firefox instead of handing even more web influence over to Google. A percentage of what Microsoft spent on EdgeHTML contributed to the Firefox project—ideally as employee time—would go a long way, along with the counterbalance of putting the Firefox engine and code base front and center of more Windows users.

Cynical thought: in no way am I claiming this was the only reason for Microsoft choosing Blink, but it’s probably easier to find and replace Google analytics APIs with Microsoft endpoints than it is to add them into a code base after the fact.

Can you link to a Google Analytics API call in Chromium? It's OSS.

Edit: Chromium connects to Google servers to update extensions and for captive portal detection. Firefox does pretty much the same.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish they had thrown in with helping Firefox instead of handing even more web influence over to Google. A percentage of what Microsoft spent on EdgeHTML contributed to the Firefox project—ideally as employee time—would go a long way, along with the counterbalance of putting the Firefox engine and code base front and center of more Windows users.

Sadly Chromium is WAYYYY easier to development on than Firefox. Had Mozilla spent effort making the base of it as a framework in the same way Chromium is, they may have considered it. There is a reason why Electron, QT etc use Chromium.

Curious, what makes Chromium better in your opinion? I have probably just touched the surface of the dev tools on both and haven‘t used any features that I would be missing on either.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Everything I've heard is that touch support is completely destroyed in this one.

This completely destroys my main use case for my Surface. I need a tablet with a web browser that's designed to be used in portrait mode without the Type Cover attached.

Can anyone here recommend a UWP web browser I can switch to when the real Edge goes away for good? Or if none exists, can someone recommend a cheap 12"+ tablet that runs a mobile OS?

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Extra sad because Microsoft briefly had their own PDF program (Reader) in Windows 8, but removed it in favor of making Edge the default program for opening PDFs.

Yeah, it was briefly on Windows 10 as well, it was my favourite PDF reader and now it's gone. Good job Microsoft.

Imagine if everything that was shelved due to marketing policies were compiled into a disc.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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So... What's the value proposition over, say, Firefox?

You get Chrome's large ecosystem of browser extensions, with much less Google tracking. That's how I see it at least.

> much less Google tracking Specifically, with Microsoft tracking in place of Google's for initial telemetry.

Whether that makes its way to Google somewhere along the lines or not is a different story.

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