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Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

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Re: Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

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Pretty sure having kids is worse for the planet than driving an suv. The rest of your post makes sense though.

This is a disgusting thing to say to someone with children. It's also not true.

It’s almost trivially true, albeit uncomfortable.

Re: Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

#52

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Pretty sure having kids is worse for the planet than driving an suv. The rest of your post makes sense though.

This is a disgusting thing to say to someone with children. It's also not true.

Granted, it's gauche as all hell, but I'm pretty sure the data supports the assertion.

It should probably be framed more diplomatically and contain a cite to support it. Probably.

Re: Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

#53

I have one hypothesis for part of the uptick: rear seat room for carseats. I consider myself the SUV hater of SUV haters, and I reject that you need one when you have kids (such is the idea in my part of the US), but...we bought one last year anyway, mainly to accommodate two rear-facing carseats with two adults in the front. There aren’t many cars that make this work, and you’d be surprised how big of an SUV you hav…

Pretty sure having kids is worse for the planet than driving an suv. The rest of your post makes sense though.

you're gonna get downvoted for this but you're not wrong. having less kids is one way to slow down climate change.

Re: Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

#54

Buying an SUV is sometimes due to network effects. If you are in a sedan, it isn't high enough to allow you to see traffic through the windshields of the SUV ahead of you, it's not much different than being behind an 18-wheeler. So as a defensive maneuver, you also buy an SUV...

And sometimes is due to obnoxiously aggressive marketing.

Re: Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

#55

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Pretty sure having kids is worse for the planet than driving an suv. The rest of your post makes sense though.

This is a disgusting thing to say to someone with children. It's also not true.

No offense taken. Sadly, my dislike of SUVs stems more from how they drive and look than anything nobler.

I was actually hoping to illustrate with my own little anecdata about how even if you don’t like them, there seem to be various one-way-ratchet effects pushing their uptake, and this was my personal mechanism. Consumer choice doesn’t always reveal preference—I’d much rather there were a car that fit our situation (back issues + loading kids into the seats also played in here).

Re: Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

#56

As with everything else, the answer to combating climate change is Miata.

The answer to just about damn near anything is Miata, of course.

But I formerly drove a Miata, and now drive an American Medium Size (that's a rest-of-the-world extra large) SUV. Same mileage for both, about ~23mpg.

Re: Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

#57

Buying an SUV is sometimes due to network effects. If you are in a sedan, it isn't high enough to allow you to see traffic through the windshields of the SUV ahead of you, it's not much different than being behind an 18-wheeler. So as a defensive maneuver, you also buy an SUV...

As someone who drives a bunch of low 90s sedans and wagons I disagree. It's not the crossover SUVs that most people are buying that are hard to see around, it's the pickups, Jeep Wranglers and everything else that has a rectangular cross section that's a pain to see around.

Re: Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

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I remember reading somewhere that the biggest buyers of SUVs (albeit compact SUVs) are mothers / young parents who think minivans are too ugly. SUVs have lots of space for kids and a large boot to take everything from bicycles to shopping. And of course the better SUVs do have lots of safety features. Car manufacturers know this, which is why 7-seater SUVs are now a thing. Luckily they’re also working on hybrid and e…

There is also a thing where station wagons are less and less practical. If you compare a mid 90s Volvo 940 to the latest Volvo V90, the reduction in interior space, exterior visibility and in practicality is huge. Seems to be mostly caused by the trifecta of safer cars (thicker doors etc), better aerodynamics and more styling/design taking up space and making windows smaller.

Crossovers are basically wagons with the exterior dimensions inflated to keep interior dimensions constant in the face of ever thickening pillars, doors and body structures.

Re: Soaring SUV sales keep carmakers on collision course with climate policy

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There's a 1973 video [0] about people shifting away from gas-guzzlers because oil prices have risen so much. I wonder whether we can expect history to repeat itself here: [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClaNhx71XB8

An alternative is that as battery prices drop and an equivalent electric SUV can cost less (with better performance on most metrics) that we'll see a kind of Jevon's Paradox and SUVs will get even bigger.
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