But yet the story mentions that aws Q3 revenues were more than double Azure estimates. Does Microsoft count Office365 revenue as cloud/azure revenue?
No. they are separate revenues in report.
Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says
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As an engineer working on Azure, why would you be opposed to migrating everything to Azure specifically?
Not OP, but want to chime in. My experience with Azure support has been dreadful, to say the least. Insanely long response times, being bounced from agent to agent, people just misreading the ticket. I really don't want to deal with Azure at this point because I don't trust the support. Most of our company infra is on AWS, and while they aren't without fault, I can say that every time we needed to talk to a human bei…
I work in a SaaS company, and we run "a lot of Azure". We open around a dozen tickets annually. The response is a mixed bag. The response times are pretty good, but it depends what will you get as a response. Sometimes you get asked a bunch of irrelevant questions just to get a simple answer (which actually helps). Sometimes you just can't get them on the same page. There are support engineers that just do not know what are you talking about. Typical example: snapshots. It took me once like 10 emails to clarify that I'm having issues with managed disk snapshots, not with blob snapshots. At the end I'm not even sure he was still aware what am I asking, the guy was completely oblivious. He finally sent me some screenshot of his own control panel (where he sees much more info than the user does), to show me something, where I actually noticed something else that unstuck me. But if he didn't we would still be sending mails back and forward.
Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says
#253I think this article is comparing apple and pears to some extend. My company is solely cloud based and are using Azure, AWS and GCP, although 98% of our bespoke infrastructure runs on AWS. We could migrate this infrastructure to GCP, as Google has been catching up with AWS on cloud infrastructure, however, I would dread to migrate it all to Azure. We mostly use Azure for Azure AD (and Office 365), and AWS to build ou…
How different are the APIs between Azure/AWS/GCP? How easy or difficult would it be to make that switch?
Very different, at least between Azure and AWS. The Azure one is very "manual", you must do a bunch of operations separately which are abstracted as a one-click-thing in the portal. Also, when working through the API, you get a sense of how unreliable some processes are. Of course you should have circuit breakers, failovers, rollbacks and stuff. But with Azure API, they are a MUST.
We also work with the GCP API and it's somewhat closer to Azure, AFAIK (haven't worked with it directly).
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I think it's throughput credits that EFS gives you (e.g r/w MiB/s), not IOPS. AFAIK they don't document the IOPS available at all. In my experience the latency for an individual i/o operation on EFS is always at the "HDD from 1995" level regardless of available burst credits. Something that does lots of small random I/O like checking out got repos on Jenkins workers is basically worst case for EFS. https://docs.aws.a…
It's NFS, so the bad latency isn't surprising. The problem is that they don't have anything faster -- it tops out at 2GBy/s or something, even with hundreds of TB, even with multiple clients. You have to share your data over multiple EFS volumes, or build your own virtual gluster, which are extremely shit options. Also makes any kind of bug data HPC impractical. Bezos, if you're listening, fire someone. You should ha…
They actually do have https://aws.amazon.com/fsx/lustre/
Latency of EFS is much worse than running your own NFS in my experience.
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I mean, they crush competitors. Not so much partners and clients. These are all tool makers and basically competitors. And frankly for the vast majority of them they actually bought the alternatives. For example, they bought Skype for messaging, they bought Great Plains, etc.
They ran Skype into the ground by compromising on the quality of the end user-experience - just like they did with MSN Messenger - and the current desktop Skype client is an Electron app (at least this way Linux still gets supported...). Skype was in prime position to be the best way to have free voice and video-calls between iOS and Android phones and the wider Internet (seeming as FaceTime is Apple-exclusive and Ha…
IIRC Skype peer-to-peer architecture was a very bad fit for smartphones. For instance text messages in Skype were sent directly from client to client, requiring the two PCs to be up and running at the same time for the communication to happen. It was brilliant for PCs running 10 hours a day, making Skype infrastructure very light.
Now take two iOS smartphones, where Skype will only run when the user is focused on the app. The peer-to-peer link was simply not going to happen. Skype brilliant peer-to-peer architecture simply didn't work anymore. This is why Skype was so late to the party.
Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says
#256I work for a Danish municipality with roughly 10,000 employees. I’m not sure if you know, but our public sector has been competing with Estonia at being the most digitised in the world for a decade. We operate an estimated 300-500 different IT-systems, some of them enterprise sized SAP solutions deployed on old IBM mainframes with multiple layers of APIs to make their fronts somewhat web-based (don’t ask). Others are…
I'm not managing anything near what you, and many people on here, do in your job. But from the perspective of a developer who has worked with several cloud platforms, Azure and Devops make the barrier for entry very easy, and the functionality available keeps growing. For personal stuff I like using Firebase, but that's just because it's free. I just feel like you get what you pay for with Azure, and even for a small…
I'm curious why this got down-voted. Was my opinion invalid or something?
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It's NFS, so the bad latency isn't surprising. The problem is that they don't have anything faster -- it tops out at 2GBy/s or something, even with hundreds of TB, even with multiple clients. You have to share your data over multiple EFS volumes, or build your own virtual gluster, which are extremely shit options. Also makes any kind of bug data HPC impractical. Bezos, if you're listening, fire someone. You should ha…
They actually do have https://aws.amazon.com/fsx/lustre/ Latency of EFS is much worse than running your own NFS in my experience.
Doh, how did I not find that?
But also, how does the pricing work? It seems to be half the price of EFS? It almost seems like that are assuing S3 read or Direct Connect to populate the FSx volume.
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They ran Skype into the ground by compromising on the quality of the end user-experience - just like they did with MSN Messenger - and the current desktop Skype client is an Electron app (at least this way Linux still gets supported...). Skype was in prime position to be the best way to have free voice and video-calls between iOS and Android phones and the wider Internet (seeming as FaceTime is Apple-exclusive and Ha…
IIRC Skype peer-to-peer architecture was a very bad fit for smartphones. For instance text messages in Skype were sent directly from client to client, requiring the two PCs to be up and running at the same time for the communication to happen. It was brilliant for PCs running 10 hours a day, making Skype infrastructure very light. Now take two iOS smartphones, where Skype will only run when the user is focused on the…
Skype went from peer-to-peer to centralised right after Microsoft bought them out - this was before modern smartphones got popular - and to my knowledge the smartphone apps were always centralised.
Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says
#259The bank I'm working for recently decided to switch to Azure despite the vast majority of developers preferring AWS. From what I've heard, it's probably related to the company switching to Office 365. Sounds to me like Microsoft is leveraging its dominance in one market to also dominate another market.
One-throat-to-choke is a nice place to be, sometimes, for a business
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> But, going with the biggest most stable vendor is usually good. If you bought IBM hardware in the 70s you can still buy new hardware that supports your software. If you went with their competitors - not so much. For 20 times the cost of commodities x86 that you should have bought by doing the right thing. And this 20 times the cost will very likely also please your own competitors because you will yourself be less…
How much will it cost to rewrite everything? What were they suppose to choose in the 70s? Do you think that all of the people still using IBM and running legacy code are dumb or just maybe they did a cost benefit analysis and decided they didn’t need to rewrite everything in Node and React?
Maybe you should ask why some sector that "fear" failures more than anything else (banks, aviations) are still trapped into these systems while everyone else is not.
This is exactly related to what I was saying before.