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Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by heavenlyblue »

alasdair_ wrote: post #18
auggierose wrote: post #10

I am currently getting into GPU cloud computing, and tried various options. My Azure experience was terrible, I could not even spin up a VM, I would get some exception message (in the Dashboard). Pretty much continues my Windows experience from about 16 years ago when I abandoned it for the Mac.

> I am currently getting into GPU cloud computing, and tried various options. My Azure experience was terrible, I could not even spin up a VM, I would get some exception message (in the Dashboard). Pretty much continues my Windows experience from about 16 years ago when I abandoned it for the Mac. I'd love to hear what mac-based GPU cloud computing system you are using. Apple badly needs a cloud compute system. If yo…

Is there any real reason why parent is being downvoted?

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by mjlee »

akudha wrote: post #39
addicted wrote: post #22

I think everyone here is missing the real reason why big companies want to go with Azure (and smaller companies probably should consider too). No one trusts Amazon to not screw them over. The A to Z in the Amazon logo hurts AWS because big companies are worried Amazon will compete with them (if they don’t already) and will use AWS data and information against those companies. MS has a long history of being a provider…

will use AWS data and information against those companies. Aren't there laws to prevent this? Say I am a big retailer - target, aldi or some company at that scale using AWS. Are you saying Amazon can look into my database/code etc and learn from it and use that knowledge to compete with me? Shouldn't such a thing be illegal, though it would super hard to prove?

Even discounting that, you're still giving your biggest competitor money.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by closeparen »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #37
closeparen wrote: post #36

I'm not surprised. The coup at AWS was programmable infrastructure. It's building blocks that fit together in the way that software engineers know and love: APIs. Sure there's a sales bro for the pointy haired boss and a console for the IT technician, but the thing is the API. It's going to be used primarily at engineering-driven companies, where "holy shit this is cool" is actually a factor in the decision. Most of…

Forgive me for my ignorance, but doesn’t Azure provide the same APIs as AWS? PS: I have onoy used AWS

It provides roughly thee same APIs, but the cultural context it sits in is different. The APIs are there for parity with AWS, not as the key value proposition.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by disappearance »

hinkley wrote: post #32
leoc wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MS has a long history of being a provider of tools and not really competing with partners. Windows ISVs and other OS providers excepted, of course ...

Microsoft first got onto my shitlist radar by putting a series of application vendors out of business by making bad knockoffs and leveraging bulk sales. EE&E has its roots in those stories. With a leopard this old, it’s hard to tell if it has changed its spots or it’s just covered with old dirt. What I do know is if you get bit I don’t want to hear about it. I’ll just laugh and laugh in your face.

You’re really bringing up EE&E in a thread comparing Microsoft & Amazon?!

LOL indeed.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by webscientist »

closeparen wrote: post #36

I'm not surprised. The coup at AWS was programmable infrastructure. It's building blocks that fit together in the way that software engineers know and love: APIs. Sure there's a sales bro for the pointy haired boss and a console for the IT technician, but the thing is the API. It's going to be used primarily at engineering-driven companies, where "holy shit this is cool" is actually a factor in the decision. Most of…

Totally agree!

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by heavenlyblue »

peterbozso wrote: post #34
goatinaboat wrote: post #8

Firstly let me say that AWS and Azure are in many ways equivalent - there’s nothing you could build in one you couldn’t build in the other. But from the POV of an enterprise AWS requires you to have serious full-time AWS gurus in-house or rely on expensive external consultants. You probably need a whole team just for cost optimisation. Whereas most of what you actually want in Azure can probably be done by your exist…

Ex-MS employee, Azure consultant here. I don't have any experience with AWS or GCP other than some very trivial, getting started stuff. But I really don't think what you say is true. While most of the stuff in Azure has a very familiar feel and intuitive interface (either on the UI or the API level) if you are coming from a MS background, there are still glaring exceptions and you certainly need experienced/certified…

>> you certainly need experienced/certified people to build something that's ready for serious production usage

As with everything else really...

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by mjlee »

my123 wrote: post #23
alasdair_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am currently getting into GPU cloud computing, and tried various options. My Azure experience was terrible, I could not even spin up a VM, I would get some exception message (in the Dashboard). Pretty much continues my Windows experience from about 16 years ago when I abandoned it for the Mac. I'd love to hear what mac-based GPU cloud computing system you are using. Apple badly needs a cloud compute system. If yo…

Apple allows VMs when the host is Apple hardware... but yeah that's not very scalable.

It's still not very scalable on Apple hardware - the licence only allows you to run 2 virtualised instances per physical machine.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by reallydontask »

webscientist wrote: post #31

Non tech centric people go with options which are cheap and just work -> MS products. You buy windows, you buy 365 you buy Azure , makes things cheaper. IT product centric companies focus on quality which you get on AWS. No doubt most banks would just go with MS products but fintech banks are with AWS - n26, revolut, transferwise (not a bank though). However it's the best not to rely on any single provider and keep y…

> Non tech centric people go with options which are cheap and just work -> MS products. You buy windows, you buy 365 you buy Azure , makes things cheaper.

This is quite far from the truth as while they do work they are not cheap. G-Suite is (or used to be when I last checked) significantly cheaper than office 365, but everybody wants excel so ....

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