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Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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One wonders what pleasure austhrow743 might derive from reading HN if not interested in tech.

I am interested in tech. I don't believe it's morally good.

I sure do hate how technology moved me away from my natural state of... checks notes... dying in childbirth.

I think the net this criticism casts is too wide.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

#62

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I am interested in tech. I don't believe it's morally good.

I sure do hate how technology moved me away from my natural state of... checks notes ... dying in childbirth. I think the net this criticism casts is too wide.

If you died in childbirth then you wouldn't be around to dwell upon it would you?

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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I sure do hate how technology moved me away from my natural state of... checks notes ... dying in childbirth. I think the net this criticism casts is too wide.

If you died in childbirth then you wouldn't be around to dwell upon it would you?

This would be a net negative for me. But then, if this technology weren't all here we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Don't have to believe it.

But we'll believe the rest of the article? By what criteria do we pick and choose?

You can believe all of it. Intensions are fickle; they don't even claim to be permanent.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Assuming Google has access to patient PII would this data be covered by the CCPA ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Consumer_Privacy_Ac... )? I couldn't find a Health Data option at https://takeout.google.com .

De-anonymzed (health) data likely isn't covered by HIPAA, and with a few still generic data points likely associated with the health data, such as health, gender, age, and location -- you could work backwards to reach an identity. There's likely a loophole for whole security of health data thing.

Did you mean de-identified instead of de-anonymzed?

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

#66

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Don't have to believe it.

But we'll believe the rest of the article? By what criteria do we pick and choose?

Why would you ever believe a giant corporation would choose not to monetize an insanely valuable asset just because they said so?

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

#67

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Don't have to believe it.

But we'll believe the rest of the article? By what criteria do we pick and choose?

Incentives.

Does it make sense for a tech giant employing lots of data scientists and existing health products (Google Fit) to expand further into Health? Yes.

Does it make sense for a company earning most of their money through advertising to keep health data they are processing completely separate from their core business? In the long run yes, but they can also make a lot of money in the short to medium term by breaking that commitment

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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I was under the impression that HIPAA applies to anyone in possession of private healthcare information (medical information tied to personally identifiable information)

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/covered-entities... It doesn't appear to be as broad as you (and I) imagined. Google might qualify as a "Health Care Clearinghouse" in this case, but it's far from clear.

As that link states, HIPAA extends to "business associates". Google isn't a "covered entity" as that has a specific definition, but it is a business associate in relation to a covered entity (e.g. health care providers). The reason for the two different terms is because covered entities deal with patients directly, thus have certain rules that only apply to them in relation to interacting with said patients. Since Google is a business associate that does not directly interact with patients, only the rules specifically in relation to PHI and other business activities apply as others (e.g. patient interaction) are moot.

Protected Health Information is protected under HIPAA for both covered entities and business associates alike. Otherwise, HIPAA would be pointless if covered entities could just pass the PHI to business associates or shell companies unfettered.

Note: I would not consider myself a "HIPAA expert", but I'm a clinical researcher that has to ensure HIPAA compliance for my lab.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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But we'll believe the rest of the article? By what criteria do we pick and choose?

Incentives. Does it make sense for a tech giant employing lots of data scientists and existing health products (Google Fit) to expand further into Health? Yes. Does it make sense for a company earning most of their money through advertising to keep health data they are processing completely separate from their core business? In the long run yes, but they can also make a lot of money in the short to medium term by bre…

> they can also make a lot of money in the short to medium term by breaking that commitment

I personally don't see an incentive for Google to make a quick buck by sacrificing the long term. I see it as quite the opposite, since Google has a lot of cash on hand. See [1]

[1] https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/alphabet-goo...

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