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Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by saagarjha »

kristianc wrote: post #38
bitL wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be true now, but who knows where your current employer will be in 10 years and if they by then even remotely match your current values. We are already seeing cracks forming and it makes difficult to trust them with our most sensitive data. It was easier 10-15 years ago, not so much these days.

> That might be true now, but who knows where your current employer will be in 10 years and if they by then even remotely match your current values. You’re just cutting the cord of falsifiability here. Because none of us can see 10 years into the future, you’ve made it impossible for anyone to disagree with you or even have a reasonable discussion. It’s an intellectually dishonest position to take.

Not really. Google has had a track record of collecting data on people, in addition to signs that tremendous changes in its corporate culture; it’s not unreasonable to speculate where they may go with that in the future.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by bagacrap »

allovernow wrote: post #21
obmelvin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. There is so much money to be made from healthcare service, it is a market & revenue stream totally separate from advertising, and it can provide great value to many people. There are things one could be critical of regarding their acquisition of data, etc. but I don't think it is in Google's best interest to use the data for advertising.

Why would you trust a literal corporate mouthpiece? You think Zuckerberg cares about your privacy too? No way in hell Google isn't going to use this for advertisement. It's exactly the kind of huge free money that drives everyone else to collect data totally unrelated to their core business. Even if the intentions are benign now, there's no reason to trust they'll be so later, based on Google's track record and the t…

Last I checked, Zuckerberg worked at a different company.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by bagacrap »

austhrow743 wrote: post #48
joshuamorton wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The how does "Tech company. Automation. Advertising." Imply morally bankrupt?

Tech company = making the world more digital. Perverting humanity. Moving us further away from our natural state. Ripping away any innate semblance of purpose we had. Automation = Removing the stand in sense of purpose people had found in the modern world. Increasing inequality. Increasing the needed level of education to be productive. Advertising = creates and reinforces wants. Makes people unhappy with what they a…

One wonders what pleasure austhrow743 might derive from reading HN if not interested in tech.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by judge2020 »

deadmutex wrote: post #15
drevil-v2 wrote: post #14

I find it disingenuous that the article refers to Google as a “tech giant”. The implications are far more sinister if instead it was referred to as “advertising giant” as advertising is what is what is driving Google to acquire this data. Call it for what it is.

From the article: "The company says its intentions in health are unconnected with its advertising business".

Google is really trying to diversify revenue since they know global web-based advertising regulation is coming (see YT Premium, YT TV, Google Store products, Fi), I can see this being purely a way to enter the healthcare software business.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by judge2020 »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #39
jrs95 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression that HIPAA applies to anyone in possession of private healthcare information (medical information tied to personally identifiable information)

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/covered-entities... It doesn't appear to be as broad as you (and I) imagined. Google might qualify as a "Health Care Clearinghouse" in this case, but it's far from clear.

At least from the last time this came up on HN, it was about Google's software being used via a server actually owned by the partner hospital, and google's access was "only via a few employees"; IIRC it wasn't data stored on their servers, or it was only stored via Google Cloud Storage (and I doubt they'd compromise security on GCP buckets for advertising purposes).

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by austhrow743 »

bagacrap wrote: post #53
austhrow743 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech company = making the world more digital. Perverting humanity. Moving us further away from our natural state. Ripping away any innate semblance of purpose we had. Automation = Removing the stand in sense of purpose people had found in the modern world. Increasing inequality. Increasing the needed level of education to be productive. Advertising = creates and reinforces wants. Makes people unhappy with what they a…

One wonders what pleasure austhrow743 might derive from reading HN if not interested in tech.

I am interested in tech. I don't believe it's morally good.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by selimthegrim »

jnordwick wrote: post #19

>>> Yet he is reluctant to allow people to opt out of Google’s core health-search tool. He likens that to a physician knowingly offering substandard care, he says. >>> “If you believe me that all we are doing is organizing that information to make it easier for your doctor, I’m going to get a little paternalistic here: I’m never going to let that get opted out,” Dr. Feinberg says. “It’s going to screw up your treatme…

My dad’s a physician that believes in homeopathy because his religious guru wrote a book about it. He also listens to Eckhart Tolle. I hope they’re not connected.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by obmelvin »

allovernow wrote: post #21
obmelvin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. There is so much money to be made from healthcare service, it is a market & revenue stream totally separate from advertising, and it can provide great value to many people. There are things one could be critical of regarding their acquisition of data, etc. but I don't think it is in Google's best interest to use the data for advertising.

Why would you trust a literal corporate mouthpiece? You think Zuckerberg cares about your privacy too? No way in hell Google isn't going to use this for advertisement. It's exactly the kind of huge free money that drives everyone else to collect data totally unrelated to their core business. Even if the intentions are benign now, there's no reason to trust they'll be so later, based on Google's track record and the t…

> Beyond targeted drug advertisement, medical devices, and the like, you know which people are sedentary, which play sports, who probably smokes, and I'd bet good money there are correlations between certain conditions and shopping habits, religious preference, and even political preferences.

Well, I can tell you that Google's advertising profile for me would already have a pretty good idea for all of those attributes you listed based on my search history, location history, google maps usage, youtube usage, etc.

The healthcare market is an ~8.5 Trillion market globally [1]. Advertising is ~ 1 trillion [2,3]. I admit that I don't know the exact quality of the data cited in these - but they do clearly demonstrate that healthcare is a huge industry. Given that Google wants another profit source besides advertising I think it just conspiratorial to suggest they would throw away the medical opportunity for some marginal advertising gains. Dragonfly leaked, employees are otherwise frustrated with certain things. If employees are talking about what you say then I'll listen to them. But you are just making senseless accusations.

1 - https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190625005862/en/11....

2 - http://towersofzeyron.com/the-advertising-industry-is-now-wo...

3 - https://www.statista.com/topics/990/global-advertising-marke...

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by coding123 »

deadmutex wrote: post #50
saagarjha wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be a shame if that data ended up being used for advertising, though.

From the article: "The company says its intentions in health are unconnected with its advertising business". I posted this exact comment elsewhere in the thread. You can search for a discussion on this page around it.

Don't have to believe it.

Re: Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data

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Post by shadowgovt »

coding123 wrote: post #59
deadmutex wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: "The company says its intentions in health are unconnected with its advertising business". I posted this exact comment elsewhere in the thread. You can search for a discussion on this page around it.

Don't have to believe it.

But we'll believe the rest of the article? By what criteria do we pick and choose?
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