Assuming Google has access to patient PII would this data be covered by the CCPA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Consumer_Privacy_Ac...)? I couldn't find a Health Data option at https://takeout.google.com.
Paging Dr. Google: How the Tech Giant Is Laying Claim to Health Data
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#12Assuming Google has access to patient PII would this data be covered by the CCPA ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Consumer_Privacy_Ac... )? I couldn't find a Health Data option at https://takeout.google.com .
De-anonymzed (health) data likely isn't covered by HIPAA, and with a few still generic data points likely associated with the health data, such as health, gender, age, and location -- you could work backwards to reach an identity. There's likely a loophole for whole security of health data thing.
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#13Article is paywalled. If someone can see it: is the premise that Google is harvesting patient data for their own AI/ML healthcare projects' benefit? Or is this just cloud storage (Cerner putting objects in a bucket)? Or both...
https://web.archive.org/web/20200111193123/https://www.wsj.c...
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#14I find it disingenuous that the article refers to Google as a “tech giant”. The implications are far more sinister if instead it was referred to as “advertising giant” as advertising is what is what is driving Google to acquire this data.
Call it for what it is.
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#15I find it disingenuous that the article refers to Google as a “tech giant”. The implications are far more sinister if instead it was referred to as “advertising giant” as advertising is what is what is driving Google to acquire this data. Call it for what it is.
From the article:
"The company says its intentions in health are unconnected with its advertising business".
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#16Result of not focussing on trust enough. Google is going to have more of this problem. Google really has a problem understanding the compound effects of trust and perception and dealing with it. By now, they should have taken some concrete privacy enhancing steps which might be made for short-term but good for long term trust, as usage of GCP, G Suite, AR will depend a lot on their trust factor. Sundar is really comi…
I think they have taken privacy enhancing steps, though public perception isn't easy to change. A lot of people (including HN users) still mistakenly think that Google sells user data, or medical history is being used for ads, etc.
Disclosure: I work at Google, but my opinion is my own.
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#17I find it disingenuous that the article refers to Google as a “tech giant”. The implications are far more sinister if instead it was referred to as “advertising giant” as advertising is what is what is driving Google to acquire this data. Call it for what it is.
From the article: "The company says its intentions in health are unconnected with its advertising business".
Exactly. There is so much money to be made from healthcare service, it is a market & revenue stream totally separate from advertising, and it can provide great value to many people.
There are things one could be critical of regarding their acquisition of data, etc. but I don't think it is in Google's best interest to use the data for advertising.
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#18I can’t believe Google Cloud has no Serverless graph db... would be perfect for health applications
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#19>>> Yet he is reluctant to allow people to opt out of Google’s core health-search tool. He likens that to a physician knowingly offering substandard care, he says.
>>> “If you believe me that all we are doing is organizing that information to make it easier for your doctor, I’m going to get a little paternalistic here: I’m never going to let that get opted out,” Dr. Feinberg says. “It’s going to screw up your treatment. We’re not going to be able to take care of you.”
Planet Money had an interview with Dr. Feinberg, the head of the Google health initiative. He was asked about people potentially opting out. His response was extremely paternalistic.
He said that he views everybody in the system as his patients, and he thinks this data aggregation and analysis from Google will improve care. So as "our" doctor he cannot morally allow any of his his patients to withdraw themselves from the program because, to him, that would be akin to giving you inferior care.
So this guy gets to unilaterally appoint himself as our doctor? I certainly didn't hire him.
>>> He boasts about his $5 Wal-Mart fleece jacket, and is an astrology enthusiast. “I’m positive,” Dr. Feinberg says to a reporter good naturedly, if inaccurately, “you’re Sagittarius.”
He's also heavily into astrology and was asking the interviewer his sign and trying to guess it. I certainly would never hire a doctor that was into astrology. How can I fire this guy?
How TF do you become a doctor that believes in astrology?
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#20>As Google has moved to expand its data collection, some potential partners have been put off by what they viewed as the company’s aggressive maneuvers to acquire data without providing enough information on how it would be used. >Google pushed one medical-data manager not to share data with other companies, according to a person familiar with the pitch. >As part of its huge offer for Cerner, whose software is embedd…
In re: “Don’t worry about making money.”:
They're sitting in a firehose of cashflow. They waste more in a day than most people earn in a lifetime. I was working as a contractor there and the Occam's Razor hypothesis I formed to account for the massive waste I saw was that they have so much money that they can afford to sequester talent. (Meaning, they can hire a bunch of people just to keep them from working for competitors.)
I know that's not true, but it's less upsetting than admitting they're just that wasteful.