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Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by hodgesrm »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #99
addicted wrote: post #22

I think everyone here is missing the real reason why big companies want to go with Azure (and smaller companies probably should consider too). No one trusts Amazon to not screw them over. The A to Z in the Amazon logo hurts AWS because big companies are worried Amazon will compete with them (if they don’t already) and will use AWS data and information against those companies. MS has a long history of being a provider…

> The A to Z in the Amazon logo hurts AWS because big companies are worried Amazon will compete with them (if they don’t already) and will use AWS data and information against those companies. This always had a vibe of a conspiracy theory to me. If this were to ever happen and it came out, AWS would be screwed for all eternity. You just need one disgruntled employee to keep a screenshot of their auditing logs to make…

I can't comment on whether Amazon would access utilize internal information for competitive purposes--I hope they don't--but it's definitely not smart to reveal sensitive product information in discussions. At one point the AWS non-disclosure agreement essentially said that they could use any information they remembered from the conversation to develop products. Unfortunately it came up a couple of companies ago so I don't have the exact text any more. It was surprising to say the least.

I love Amazon's cloud services and use them every day. Even so, you can't lose site of the fact they are a formidable competitor.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by eropple »

TruffleMuffin wrote: post #226
GordonS wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having functionality splattered all through I haven't found functionality to be "splattered" at all. In general, you have a menu on the left for top-level functions, and a button-bar at the top for other things - the layout feels really consistent to me, with the only exception I've noticed being Function Apps. > inexplicably horizontally-scrolling At least from a culture with left-right written language, it makes…

I have had to personally re-document setting up a basic Azure AD connection 4 times in a 18 month period. Each time I go back to it, the UI has changed and key pieces of functionality are just 'elsewhere'. The EC2 console is old and outdated, its been the same since I started with it like 7 years ago. They are rolling out a new dashboard right now, a complete overhaul. The difference - I don't have to re-document the…

Thanks for replying, because I like knowing I'm not crazy!

A lot of Azure fans like to play "hide the ball" on whether Azure AD "counts" in a lot of ways because it functionally requires Office/Graph and that's not "really" Azure. (Never mind that it doesn't play nice with any IdP, you have to basically pass an act of Congress to let it defer in any meaningful way to Okta...)

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by aianus »

toohotatopic wrote: post #235
stevewodil wrote: post #214

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Of course you would get their permission to record them!

But he wouldn't get Uber's permission. It's against their terms of service to record passengers.

It’s not. They’re even mailing out stickers to warn passengers they’re being recorded in Toronto.

https://help.uber.com/driving-and-delivering/article/can-i-u...

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by scarface74 »

adev_ wrote: post #237
scarface74 wrote: post #111

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Yes, surprisingly enough, people look out for their own self interests. What makes outsourcing hardware different from the dozens of other software as a service vendors that most companies depend on? Why spend the time developing competency in managing servers if that doesn’t give you a competitive advantage. But, going with the biggest most stable vendor is usually good. If you bought IBM hardware in the 70s you can…

> But, going with the biggest most stable vendor is usually good. If you bought IBM hardware in the 70s you can still buy new hardware that supports your software. If you went with their competitors - not so much. For 20 times the cost of commodities x86 that you should have bought by doing the right thing. And this 20 times the cost will very likely also please your own competitors because you will yourself be less…

How much will it cost to rewrite everything? What were they suppose to choose in the 70s? Do you think that all of the people still using IBM and running legacy code are dumb or just maybe they did a cost benefit analysis and decided they didn’t need to rewrite everything in Node and React?

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by jariel »

addicted wrote: post #22

I think everyone here is missing the real reason why big companies want to go with Azure (and smaller companies probably should consider too). No one trusts Amazon to not screw them over. The A to Z in the Amazon logo hurts AWS because big companies are worried Amazon will compete with them (if they don’t already) and will use AWS data and information against those companies. MS has a long history of being a provider…

The implications of Amazon illegally sniffing data from partners to use for its retail business are apocalyptic.

They are risking 1 Trillion dollars in lawsuits, for what?

I don't think that this is happening in any detail, however, maybe some high level things, such as account size, configuration etc. - that information could be leaked. But some category manager at Amazon.com husting the logs from Nodrstrom on AWS ... I don't think so.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by jariel »

snowwrestler wrote: post #199
jasonvorhe wrote: post #99

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> The A to Z in the Amazon logo hurts AWS because big companies are worried Amazon will compete with them (if they don’t already) and will use AWS data and information against those companies. This always had a vibe of a conspiracy theory to me. If this were to ever happen and it came out, AWS would be screwed for all eternity. You just need one disgruntled employee to keep a screenshot of their auditing logs to make…

When Amazon started expanding in retail beyond books, they signed supplier agreements to source inventory, the same way department stores have for decades. Then Amazon used the retail sales information they gathered from these relationships to structure their Marketplace and Fulfilled by Amazon products, breaking the exclusivity clauses in their existing supplier agreements. Amazon lost lawsuits over this. Kinda hard…

Those are different things.

A thuggish business, I can see doing the above.

But Amazon hacking logs of customer data to get a leg up in some category, no way. That's a different ballgame.

Every retail org would have to immediately leave AWS hands down.

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Post by toohotatopic »

aianus wrote: post #243
toohotatopic wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But he wouldn't get Uber's permission. It's against their terms of service to record passengers.

It’s not. They’re even mailing out stickers to warn passengers they’re being recorded in Toronto. https://help.uber.com/driving-and-delivering/article/can-i-u...

>for purposes of safety.

But then:

>Uber and Lyft confirm drivers can’t broadcast videos of passengers after a string of privacy incidents

https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-lyft-reaffirm-ban-on-st...

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by [deleted] »

toohotatopic wrote: post #247
aianus wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not. They’re even mailing out stickers to warn passengers they’re being recorded in Toronto. https://help.uber.com/driving-and-delivering/article/can-i-u...

>for purposes of safety. But then: >Uber and Lyft confirm drivers can’t broadcast videos of passengers after a string of privacy incidents https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-lyft-reaffirm-ban-on-st...

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Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by closeparen »

audleman wrote: post #231
paulv wrote: post #83

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> I'd wager that usage of the Azure APIs is almost zero. I can't speak for anyone else, but we make sure extensive use of the Azure API, both via the 'az' command line tool and through terraform. From what I've heard, read, and had conference calls about, Microsoft treats the API as a first-class citizen.

Same here. Not to derail OP's point on how the use cases are different, but us developers are all trained on using APIs with our cloud backends by now. Obviously Azure produced something of similar quality to the awscli.

Sure. But many many businesses will be using Azure in a way that doesn't involve developers.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by ifthenelseend »

Analemma_ wrote: post #227
code4tee wrote: post #185

These results are misleading for the same reasons why Microsoft’s market share claims are misleading. Microsoft counts things like Office 365 and Azure AD as “cloud.” If you look at people truly using their cloud products in terms of things that pair off against AWS offerings the picture looks vastly different. I’ve worked with many companies recently that are broadly “all in” on AWS but still use O365 and AD as core…

> Microsoft counts things like Office 365 and Azure AD as “cloud.” Please stop repeating this. Microsoft started reporting Office 365 revenue separately from Azure revenue years ago.

Just checked the report and this is true. Microsoft haters becomes really annoying with all their lies.
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