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Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by oauea »

GordonS wrote: post #92
ailideex wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They aren’t cheap, but they listen to us when we need something Yet amazingly their interfaces and quality is incredibly horrible. Azure like most other things Microsoft makes feels like a half baked and over fitted platform with serious quality issues.

I completely disagree - I find the Azure interface, delightful to work with. And best of all, it's consistent , which can't be said for AWS' UI, which mostly looks very dated and differs from service to service. Years ago the Azure UI was a bit slow (but still beautiful to look at), but those issues were solved long ago.

If your screen isn't big enough the Azure portal scrolls in 4(!) directions, and even worse, it uses horizontal scrolling for navigating between related objects! It's completely impossible to use if your screen isn't huge and the window maximized.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by vidarh »

castlecrasher2 wrote: post #174
eeZah7Ux wrote: post #146

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It's amazing how people fail to see that public cloud is the equivalent of a hotel. It's far cheaper than buying a house... in the short term. Cloud providers are not getting hardware, datacenters, electricity and labor for free. You are still paying for it.

Public cloud is only the equivalent of renting a hotel if buying a house means hiring the builders full-time for continued maintenance.

I used to provide devops consulting services exactly because nobody but large organizations "hires the builders full-time for continued maintenance" for dedicated servers any more than for cloud, because it takes really large systems before you need hardware intervention very often.

Even when working clients that had multiple racks of hardware they owned, I spent on average a couple of days a year dealing with that.

On the contrary, clients with cloud setups "hired the builder" for far more hours on average than those with dedicated setups. For my billable hours it'd have been far more beneficial if more people went to cloud setups.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by forgot-my-pw »

stevewodil wrote: post #178
okareaman wrote: post #165

I'm a retired programmer and now Uber driver in Silicon Valley so I often talk shop with my riders. I was giving a guy a ride to make a pitch for his product to a Japanese company. He related that his biggest challenge so far was when Walmart licensed his product and they insisted it absolutely could not be hosted on AWS so he had to transfer over to Azure. Obviously Amazon and Walmart are competitors and that might…

I feel like you should start a YouTube channel. In that area I'm sure you have a lot of interesting conversations with technical people, and entrepreneurs trying to make it

What happens to passenger-driver confidentiality?

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by runeks »

I think Azure is so relatively popular because Microsoft is the only consultant company who owns a cloud.

Generally speaking, for any piece of software -- cloud infrastructure, (managed) database, CRM system, operating system, office suite -- Microsoft has it and has consultants you can hire to help implement it in your company.

That's why Microsoft is doing well, as car as I can tell.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by fred_is_fred »

runeks wrote: post #224

I think Azure is so relatively popular because Microsoft is the only consultant company who owns a cloud. Generally speaking, for any piece of software -- cloud infrastructure, (managed) database, CRM system, operating system, office suite -- Microsoft has it and has consultants you can hire to help implement it in your company. That's why Microsoft is doing well, as car as I can tell.

Two other reasons: 1) They have the consultants and more than likely an existing business relationship for Windows, Exchange, etc. 2) They are not likely to compete with you - Amazon is trying to compete with everyone and nobody wants to fund their own demise.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by TruffleMuffin »

GordonS wrote: post #183
eropple wrote: post #180

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Having functionality splattered all through the god-awful, inexplicably horizontally-scrolling interface is not my idea of “delightful”. Parts of it are URL-stateful, other parts aren’t, and there’s no rhyme or reason for the difference. AWS might look “dated”, but I can’t imagine the mindset that cares about that. If a console is how you’re evaluating your cloud provider you are several steps behind where you need t…

> Having functionality splattered all through I haven't found functionality to be "splattered" at all. In general, you have a menu on the left for top-level functions, and a button-bar at the top for other things - the layout feels really consistent to me, with the only exception I've noticed being Function Apps. > inexplicably horizontally-scrolling At least from a culture with left-right written language, it makes…

I have had to personally re-document setting up a basic Azure AD connection 4 times in a 18 month period. Each time I go back to it, the UI has changed and key pieces of functionality are just 'elsewhere'.

The EC2 console is old and outdated, its been the same since I started with it like 7 years ago. They are rolling out a new dashboard right now, a complete overhaul.

The difference - I don't have to re-document the EC2 Console for internal training.

The AWS Cli is a simple tool that just keeps working and its documentation is pretty much all you need to look at.

The Powershell interface with AzureAD was absolutely opaque, no documentation, took hours to figure out how to configure claims and when I did, it didn't even work due to hidden limitations that the paid for support could not explain.

I think that your experiences have been quite different to others, certainly mine.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by Analemma_ »

code4tee wrote: post #185

These results are misleading for the same reasons why Microsoft’s market share claims are misleading. Microsoft counts things like Office 365 and Azure AD as “cloud.” If you look at people truly using their cloud products in terms of things that pair off against AWS offerings the picture looks vastly different. I’ve worked with many companies recently that are broadly “all in” on AWS but still use O365 and AD as core…

> Microsoft counts things like Office 365 and Azure AD as “cloud.”

Please stop repeating this. Microsoft started reporting Office 365 revenue separately from Azure revenue years ago.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by dragonwriter »

code4tee wrote: post #185

These results are misleading for the same reasons why Microsoft’s market share claims are misleading. Microsoft counts things like Office 365 and Azure AD as “cloud.” If you look at people truly using their cloud products in terms of things that pair off against AWS offerings the picture looks vastly different. I’ve worked with many companies recently that are broadly “all in” on AWS but still use O365 and AD as core…

> Microsoft counts things like Office 365 and Azure AD as “cloud.”

Even if that was true, AWS also counts their parallel but far less complete services.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by audleman »

rjzzleep wrote: post #107
dustinmoris wrote: post #96

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> We have a direct line to Seattle, and parts of what we ring up at tickets have made it into the global 365 infrastructure. This is great for one business, but bad for the whole of businesses IMHO. Microsoft shoehorns every little thing into their products, never asking themselves if they should . As long as they think they can they will. This leads to stupid things like Durable (aka stateful) Azure Functions. Durab…

Microsoft is here to stay mainly because once you got your foot in the door at the big companies you will stay forever. The reasoning is indeed since we already have Microsoft guys Azure will fit us well but in practice none of these Microsoft guys will be able to help you on any Azure issue. So when Azure is involved in a big corp, accenture is usually not far behind. The experience with the solutions this doom duo…

To be fair, Microsoft has only decided on Kubernetes within the last year. Before that there was heated debate on whether to support K8 or ServiceFabric, their "competing" standard. Now that all efforts are on K8 we'll see it improve pretty quickly.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by chayesfss »

GordonS wrote: post #92
ailideex wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They aren’t cheap, but they listen to us when we need something Yet amazingly their interfaces and quality is incredibly horrible. Azure like most other things Microsoft makes feels like a half baked and over fitted platform with serious quality issues.

I completely disagree - I find the Azure interface, delightful to work with. And best of all, it's consistent , which can't be said for AWS' UI, which mostly looks very dated and differs from service to service. Years ago the Azure UI was a bit slow (but still beautiful to look at), but those issues were solved long ago.

I'm glad someone finds the interface usable and consistent
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