Live data from Hacker News

Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

cnbc.com

171–180 of 260 posts

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#171

I am currently getting into GPU cloud computing, and tried various options. My Azure experience was terrible, I could not even spin up a VM, I would get some exception message (in the Dashboard). Pretty much continues my Windows experience from about 16 years ago when I abandoned it for the Mac.

FWIW, the process of spinning up an Ubuntu Data Science Virtual Machine on a GPU resource type has gone without a hitch over here. Last I checked it's only available in some areas, though, so YMMV.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am currently getting into GPU cloud computing, and tried various options. My Azure experience was terrible, I could not even spin up a VM, I would get some exception message (in the Dashboard). Pretty much continues my Windows experience from about 16 years ago when I abandoned it for the Mac. I'd love to hear what mac-based GPU cloud computing system you are using. Apple badly needs a cloud compute system. If yo…

Is there any real reason why parent is being downvoted?

> I'd love to hear what mac-based GPU cloud computing system you are using

Is a strawman, and snarky at that. You could presume original commenter is just interested in a *nix-based GPU VM.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not HN narration but a simple fact. > Amazon Web Services accounted for almost 33% of global cloud spending, while Microsoft had nearly 17% and Google had just under 7% https://www.theinformation.com/articles/google-brass-set-202...

AIUI, Microsoft juices those numbers a bit by including Office365. Yes, it’s in the “cloud”, but it’s not exactly apples-to-apples with AWS.

It's comparable to WorkMail/WorkDocs. Sure, O365 is a little more complete, and, sure, MS has more of their cloud revenue in that area than AWS has in its comparable services, but almost any time you are comparing business in a category where each has multiple services there’ll be differences like that.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#174
post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have literally never seen a setup where cloud came out less than ~twice the cost of dedicated hosting. I have seen instances where dedicated hosting comes out cheaper than putting your own equipment in a colo, but even that depends on being in a location where energy and property prices (and so colo rental costs) are high. And this does factor in devops - when doing consulting I earned consistently more (because of…

It's amazing how people fail to see that public cloud is the equivalent of a hotel. It's far cheaper than buying a house... in the short term. Cloud providers are not getting hardware, datacenters, electricity and labor for free. You are still paying for it.

Public cloud is only the equivalent of renting a hotel if buying a house means hiring the builders full-time for continued maintenance.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#175
post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like AWS, but AWS EFS has the same problem. They've improved it a bit through some recent changes, but it's not much better. The way it would work: they gave you absolutely pitiful base IOPS credits for EFS and everything else was related to disk space used. So more disk space used (and paid), more IOPS. After that they'd completely detroy your IOPS if you used up all the credits. By destroy I mean IOPS at the leve…

I think it's throughput credits that EFS gives you (e.g r/w MiB/s), not IOPS. AFAIK they don't document the IOPS available at all. In my experience the latency for an individual i/o operation on EFS is always at the "HDD from 1995" level regardless of available burst credits. Something that does lots of small random I/O like checking out got repos on Jenkins workers is basically worst case for EFS. https://docs.aws.a…

It's NFS, so the bad latency isn't surprising. The problem is that they don't have anything faster -- it tops out at 2GBy/s or something, even with hundreds of TB, even with multiple clients. You have to share your data over multiple EFS volumes, or build your own virtual gluster, which are extremely shit options. Also makes any kind of bug data HPC impractical.

Bezos, if you're listening, fire someone. You should have next generation pNFS or lustre like protocols by 2016.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this scale, why not invest in your own datacenter, since you already have a lot of servers to maintain? I understand you have to use Office 365, but what is the value prop of Azure to you beyond that ?

My experience with home-rolled solutions suggests there are plenty of hidden costs. Got a new project, and want to spin up some experimental servers? Gotta wade through a bunch of IT guys. Documentation and training around Azure, etc is also going to be better than homegrown alternatives, most likely. Things like that. It’s hard to put a monetary figure on the frictions costs, but they are there.

You're comparing one extreme (public cloud) to another extreme (sysadmin-managed infrastructure). The alternative, today, is either a private or a hybrid cloud, which have all the advantages of short-circuiting sysadmins that public clouds have.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#177
post #7

I work for a Danish municipality with roughly 10,000 employees. I’m not sure if you know, but our public sector has been competing with Estonia at being the most digitised in the world for a decade. We operate an estimated 300-500 different IT-systems, some of them enterprise sized SAP solutions deployed on old IBM mainframes with multiple layers of APIs to make their fronts somewhat web-based (don’t ask). Others are…

I'm not managing anything near what you, and many people on here, do in your job. But from the perspective of a developer who has worked with several cloud platforms, Azure and Devops make the barrier for entry very easy, and the functionality available keeps growing.

For personal stuff I like using Firebase, but that's just because it's free. I just feel like you get what you pay for with Azure, and even for a small team like mine, someone at MS has always gotten back to us quickly when we need them.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#178

I'm a retired programmer and now Uber driver in Silicon Valley so I often talk shop with my riders. I was giving a guy a ride to make a pitch for his product to a Japanese company. He related that his biggest challenge so far was when Walmart licensed his product and they insisted it absolutely could not be hosted on AWS so he had to transfer over to Azure. Obviously Amazon and Walmart are competitors and that might…

I feel like you should start a YouTube channel. In that area I'm sure you have a lot of interesting conversations with technical people, and entrepreneurs trying to make it

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#179
post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have literally never seen a setup where cloud came out less than ~twice the cost of dedicated hosting. I have seen instances where dedicated hosting comes out cheaper than putting your own equipment in a colo, but even that depends on being in a location where energy and property prices (and so colo rental costs) are high. And this does factor in devops - when doing consulting I earned consistently more (because of…

I suspect you’re doing it wrong , or there’s some niche type of computing you specialize in. In general purpose IT, looking across an enterprise portfolio of applications, we consistently see customers of Tidal Migrations replatform their applications to cloud and save 95+% in OpEx vs dedicated on-premise hosting. IMO, The first step to realizing those cost benefits is recognizing that the cloud is not your datacente…

Parent is probably comparing the cost of on prem to running VMs 24x7. Most IT departments are running software they did not write and don’t have the luxury of even getting access to the source code. If these customers want to do cloud they have to do it ‘wrong’

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

#180
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They aren’t cheap, but they listen to us when we need something Yet amazingly their interfaces and quality is incredibly horrible. Azure like most other things Microsoft makes feels like a half baked and over fitted platform with serious quality issues.

I completely disagree - I find the Azure interface, delightful to work with. And best of all, it's consistent , which can't be said for AWS' UI, which mostly looks very dated and differs from service to service. Years ago the Azure UI was a bit slow (but still beautiful to look at), but those issues were solved long ago.

Having functionality splattered all through the god-awful, inexplicably horizontally-scrolling interface is not my idea of “delightful”. Parts of it are URL-stateful, other parts aren’t, and there’s no rhyme or reason for the difference.

AWS might look “dated”, but I can’t imagine the mindset that cares about that. If a console is how you’re evaluating your cloud provider you are several steps behind where you need to be. And, great news: in addition to having a really dire console, Azure’s APIs are just no good, particularly if you have to step into the shitshow that is Azure AD (and paying even more for Microsoft Graph, which should just be included) or IAM, and they don’t step to either AWS or GCP to a degree that I just won’t work for an Azure company again. Trying to get anything done in those environments makes me feel stupid and personally bad for having the temerity to try, between inscrutable errors where the Microsoft support is barely English-literate even when you’re paying for it and the aforementioned API barf, and that’s a bad way to live one’s life.

Post reply on HN