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Re: Ring fired employees for watching customer videos

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I have a couple of these devices outside along with some more traditional hardware going to a local DVR. I wanted cloud video storage in the event someone stole my dvr. I accept that someone someone may have access to this footage. I trust Amazon/Ring more than I trust some random Chinese company.

> I trust Amazon/Ring more than I trust some random Chinese company.

Really? Why?

Re: Ring fired employees for watching customer videos

#62

What's a good cloudless setup? I've got a couple zwave devices, and have been looking into OpenHab. Win10 compatibility would be a bonus, as well as the ability to run my own OpenCV video analysis and voice recognition stacks...

Ubiquiti’s offerings can all run 100% locally. I have my entire setup using PoE so each only needs a single cable.

I've been considering Ubiquiti since I'm going to redoing all the networking in my new house. Does Ubiquiti offer inner sort of facial-recognition-based alerts?

Re: Ring fired employees for watching customer videos

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These kind of scenarios can happen with workers in government offices, archives and medical institutions as well. And yet the paper documents are not E2E encrypted. Maybe... just maybe... technology is not really what should be the core issue here? But we should perhaps look at our policies and legislation? Adding proper liability there will make technology come by itself. The magic of free market doesn't seem to be…

The easiest way to keep someone out is to lock the door. You can create penalties, punishments, hire security guards to watch the door. But the most efficient and effective way is just a lock.

Locked doors can kill if a fire breaks out in your house.

Re: Ring fired employees for watching customer videos

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At least the homeowner has a choice to upload their video to ring. Street-facing doorbell cameras on public sidewalks are in my opinion the worse problem. Pedestrians didn't opt-in. Operators of these cameras (both the buyer and the vendor) should be subject to the same legal obligations as other data collectors.

My neighbor, across the street, has a Ring camera aimed directly at my house, since that is where their front door faces. What is my recourse for preventing my private property from being recorded?

Find a 5mw near-infrared laser and aim it at the camera across the street

Re: Ring fired employees for watching customer videos

#65

At least the homeowner has a choice to upload their video to ring. Street-facing doorbell cameras on public sidewalks are in my opinion the worse problem. Pedestrians didn't opt-in. Operators of these cameras (both the buyer and the vendor) should be subject to the same legal obligations as other data collectors.

My neighbor, across the street, has a Ring camera aimed directly at my house, since that is where their front door faces. What is my recourse for preventing my private property from being recorded?

https://shop.ring.com/pages/privacy

> At the core of Ring, and guiding every action we take, is respect for the privacy and security of our neighbors

> Nobody can view your video recordings unless you allow it

Sounds pretty straightforward.

Send Ring's legal dept a letter telling them you don't allow it (privacy@ring.com, then certified mail when they ignore you the first time).

Re: Ring fired employees for watching customer videos

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At least the homeowner has a choice to upload their video to ring. Street-facing doorbell cameras on public sidewalks are in my opinion the worse problem. Pedestrians didn't opt-in. Operators of these cameras (both the buyer and the vendor) should be subject to the same legal obligations as other data collectors.

My neighbor, across the street, has a Ring camera aimed directly at my house, since that is where their front door faces. What is my recourse for preventing my private property from being recorded?

Depends on your location. NY has some laws now. As expected Europe is strict, here is UK guidance. https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-g...

Re: Ring fired employees for watching customer videos

#68

What's a good cloudless setup? I've got a couple zwave devices, and have been looking into OpenHab. Win10 compatibility would be a bonus, as well as the ability to run my own OpenCV video analysis and voice recognition stacks...

Ubiquiti’s offerings can all run 100% locally. I have my entire setup using PoE so each only needs a single cable.

I'm actually planning to do same thing, probably also use that to install PoE wifi access points. I think I also will need VLAN functionality. Which switch do you use?

Also any opinion about their recent fiasco with telemetry?

Re: Ring fired employees for watching customer videos

#69

Whenever end-to-end encryption is not used, scenarios like these are bound to happen eventually. As far as I know, the only home surveillance products that use E2EE are ones that support HomeKit Secure Video [1]. 1. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210538

Why would end-to-end help when it's the other end that's watching?

Re: Ring fired employees for watching customer videos

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The easiest way to keep someone out is to lock the door. You can create penalties, punishments, hire security guards to watch the door. But the most efficient and effective way is just a lock.

Locked doors can kill if a fire breaks out in your house.

Typically, at least in the US, a locked door can be opened from the inside without a key for that reason.
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