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Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by CodeSheikh » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 4:32 PM UTC

moksly wrote: post #7

I work for a Danish municipality with roughly 10,000 employees. I’m not sure if you know, but our public sector has been competing with Estonia at being the most digitised in the world for a decade. We operate an estimated 300-500 different IT-systems, some of them enterprise sized SAP solutions deployed on old IBM mainframes with multiple layers of APIs to make their fronts somewhat web-based (don’t ask). Others are…

"Stuff like making it easier to hide teams-emails from the company-wide outlook address-book" is not this an implementation thing instead of infrastructure? Say you use LDAP to manage user and permissions etc and it is up to you how you want to set it up. I am curious to find out if you are using some out of box solutions form AZURE for this.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by hnrodey » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 4:33 PM UTC

stevewodil wrote: post #178

okareaman wrote: post #165

I'm a retired programmer and now Uber driver in Silicon Valley so I often talk shop with my riders. I was giving a guy a ride to make a pitch for his product to a Japanese company. He related that his biggest challenge so far was when Walmart licensed his product and they insisted it absolutely could not be hosted on AWS so he had to transfer over to Azure. Obviously Amazon and Walmart are competitors and that might…

I feel like you should start a YouTube channel. In that area I'm sure you have a lot of interesting conversations with technical people, and entrepreneurs trying to make it

At a minimum I would follow his Twitter account if he's sharing stories.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by sp332 » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 4:34 PM UTC

simo7 wrote: post #103

PasserBy2025 wrote: post #98

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Committing to long-term support is part of quality. And this is simply not there with Google products.

As in not phasing out products? That's more of a problem with Google than GCP itself. GCP has its problems (heard bad things about CloudSQL support for Postgres), but it does seem to be willing to innovate when it sees an opportunity for it. My point is about AWS being reluctant to embrace new technologies that could damage the ones it's deeply invested in. See Athena vs Redshift or Kubernetes vs ECS (the latter havi…

It's more that a conversation among top leadership at Google and Alphabet was leaked, where they put GCP into an artificial do-or-die situation regarding growth and funding. https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/google-reportedly-set-ambitio...

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by hinkley » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

disappearance wrote: post #44

hinkley wrote: post #32

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Microsoft first got onto my shitlist radar by putting a series of application vendors out of business by making bad knockoffs and leveraging bulk sales. EE&E has its roots in those stories. With a leopard this old, it’s hard to tell if it has changed its spots or it’s just covered with old dirt. What I do know is if you get bit I don’t want to hear about it. I’ll just laugh and laugh in your face.

You’re really bringing up EE&E in a thread comparing Microsoft & Amazon?! LOL indeed.

I’m bringing up MS’ very real history of competing within its own ecosystem in a conversation about Amazon doing the same. The big three are all snakes in the grass. Don’t fool yourself about lesser evils.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by gpm » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

castlecrasher2 wrote: post #174

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #146

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It's amazing how people fail to see that public cloud is the equivalent of a hotel. It's far cheaper than buying a house... in the short term. Cloud providers are not getting hardware, datacenters, electricity and labor for free. You are still paying for it.

Public cloud is only the equivalent of renting a hotel if buying a house means hiring the builders full-time for continued maintenance.

Hiring the builders full-time is only the equivalent of building a private data center if building a private data center means buying the entire companies of Intel and Supermicro.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by okareaman » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

stevewodil wrote: post #178

okareaman wrote: post #165

I'm a retired programmer and now Uber driver in Silicon Valley so I often talk shop with my riders. I was giving a guy a ride to make a pitch for his product to a Japanese company. He related that his biggest challenge so far was when Walmart licensed his product and they insisted it absolutely could not be hosted on AWS so he had to transfer over to Azure. Obviously Amazon and Walmart are competitors and that might…

I feel like you should start a YouTube channel. In that area I'm sure you have a lot of interesting conversations with technical people, and entrepreneurs trying to make it

Some passengers use the ride as a confessional or just to vent. I feel it would be wrong to share too much about what they say. It seems like an unwritten rule. I don't have a front/rear view dash cam like a lot of drivers advise because I appreciate these conversations and don't want to inhibit them.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by commandeer » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

eropple wrote: post #180

GordonS wrote: post #92

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I completely disagree - I find the Azure interface, delightful to work with. And best of all, it's consistent , which can't be said for AWS' UI, which mostly looks very dated and differs from service to service. Years ago the Azure UI was a bit slow (but still beautiful to look at), but those issues were solved long ago.

Having functionality splattered all through the god-awful, inexplicably horizontally-scrolling interface is not my idea of “delightful”. Parts of it are URL-stateful, other parts aren’t, and there’s no rhyme or reason for the difference. AWS might look “dated”, but I can’t imagine the mindset that cares about that. If a console is how you’re evaluating your cloud provider you are several steps behind where you need t…

We have built a desktop app to manage AWS, and we will be rollin gout some of the main Azure serverless pieces over the next few months. I think you might found our GUI much more user friendly than what is out there now. https://getcommandeer.com

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by okareaman » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

hnrodey wrote: post #202

stevewodil wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you should start a YouTube channel. In that area I'm sure you have a lot of interesting conversations with technical people, and entrepreneurs trying to make it

At a minimum I would follow his Twitter account if he's sharing stories.

Sometimes people are careless and I get inside information but I'm smart enough to know that and not act on it.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by eropple » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 5:44 PM UTC

commandeer wrote: post #207

eropple wrote: post #180

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Having functionality splattered all through the god-awful, inexplicably horizontally-scrolling interface is not my idea of “delightful”. Parts of it are URL-stateful, other parts aren’t, and there’s no rhyme or reason for the difference. AWS might look “dated”, but I can’t imagine the mindset that cares about that. If a console is how you’re evaluating your cloud provider you are several steps behind where you need t…

We have built a desktop app to manage AWS, and we will be rollin gout some of the main Azure serverless pieces over the next few months. I think you might found our GUI much more user friendly than what is out there now. https://getcommandeer.com

Glad you could find a place to shove in a plug for a piece of software that, if we're being frank, doesn't seem like the sort of thing I'd recommend to any user of a cloud environment. GUIs are failure modes for cloud operations. Using APIs first and last is the only way I've found to build a successful cloud team at any scale.

(And I have even less use for highly bloggable serverless stuff than I do baseline-working tools and systems. A "Dynamo tester" is less valuable in aggregate than, say, something that made Cloudmapper easier to deploy.)

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Post by shanemlk » Thu, Jan 09, 2020, 6:06 PM UTC

I've only used Azure so far. I can see why a big company would choose Azure. Although as we move further into the tech era, we're going to see a decline in the size of companies. Internet services will continue to make it easier for small companies to offload pieces of work to other small companies. They'll get good quality results for reasonable costs. Then soon, these small companies are producing big company results, shaving off big company profits. Welcome in the hunter gather era of computation. Bottom line, if Azure stays around, it's just going to become what AWS already is.