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Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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I (rhetorically) wonder why the title does not contain the "actor's" name. But then again, we all know why that is.

I'm actually NOT sure why. I assume it's because we are unlikely to recognize the actor by name, so they are labeled by their profession? Or is there some other reason? Not being rhetorical. I don't know who Jesse Smollett is.

I’m pretty sure this French actor is a household name by now.

Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chose to shorten the title in the way that I did because I hoped it would help focus the discussion on the civil liberties and surveillance aspects rather than on the specifics of Smollet's case. Happily, based on the comments so far, this seems to have worked. I also worried that if I used his name, it would be flagged as off-topic before any useful discussion could happen. Does this explanation this match your as…

I would have preferred "Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of Juissie Smollett's data". It would be more informative, but it'd further damage the liberal narrative that Jussie was "attacked by the right" and "Trump supporters are racist". If you were to run a poll, I bet a non-trivial percentage of people still believes Jussie was attacked - people do not read retractions, and once the truth came out, this…

Why would it damage the liberal narrative? Wouldn't it add sympathy to him (given that most of the comments here are against the idea of Google getting access to his data)

I really think you are overestimating how many people have heard if this guy (who seems pretty dodgy) and are looking for reasons to be offended here.

Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

State has a duty to prosecute law breakers. This is a load bearing wall of civil society. Everywhere. Making sweeping general statements is good for riling up the mobs but I would implore HN readers to be more pragmatic about these things. Look at the context. This person sought to ignite racial tensions for personal gain. He was given a sweetheart deal. The State is going after him and those protected him. They (the…

The media seeks to ignite racial tensions for personal gains all the time, shouldn't we prosecute them too?

Everyone seeks to ignite racial tensions for personal gain. Politicians, journalists, even a lot of people on HN are out doing it in the comments all the time. But you can't prosecute every jay walker, nor every speeder. That doesn't necessarily mean that you shouldn't punish any speeders.

The problem here is that they are going about it in the wrong way. Issuing a warrant that says, "Well, show me everything this guy ever did, and I'll tell you the crime I want to prosecute him for later."

That's not how most warrants work. Most of the time it's, "We suspect X evidence generated in the commission of Y crime is at Z location". What this does is say, "We need all his data to figure out exactly what crime was committed". That's an ominous warrant.

Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

State has a duty to prosecute law breakers. This is a load bearing wall of civil society. Everywhere. Making sweeping general statements is good for riling up the mobs but I would implore HN readers to be more pragmatic about these things. Look at the context. This person sought to ignite racial tensions for personal gain. He was given a sweetheart deal. The State is going after him and those protected him. They (the…

> State has a duty to prosecute law breakers. This is a load bearing wall of civil society. Everywhere. That doesn't mean there should be enormous databases of everything people do for the state to access at will.

What does that have to do with the case being discussed? A judge issued search warrants for information that Google has. Your hyperbole about the government being able to access anyone's information whenever they want isn't helpful to a conversation about privacy.

Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but people basically have no idea how courts work and that discovery is a thing are you saying that courts have become so opaque and inaccessible to voters that they exert their power as an impenetrable cabal ? Or that people need a PhD to assess whether the law or its enforcement is good or bad?

The courts aren't any more opaque and inaccessible than, say, javascript.

That's still really really bad, since everyone needs to know how the laws that they interact with works for a functioning democracy, but nobody who uses a website needs to know how the code is written. Courts should be orders of magnitude more accessible to people (especially in a country where people are tried by the jury of their peers!) than anything even remotely involving technology to the extent that a comparison between the court system and javascript doesn't even make sense.

Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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I (and we should all) act as if this could happen to anyone. Essentially that the state can deputize any company to snitch on the digital ephemera that constitutes our daily lives, but especially those that we are deeply engaged: Google, Facebook, Lyft, Amazon. As such, we should not self-censor, but instead disengage from these proxy-cops and move to more distributed spaces.

It’s clear you have no idea what this actor did. He staged a hate crime in Chicago and the main cook county attorney dropped the case after CPD proved it was fake. With your radical views, where do you draw the line? Will you vote to protect criminals, child abusers, rapist? All in an effort for “privacy”?

Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

#107
post #18

I (rhetorically) wonder why the title does not contain the "actor's" name. But then again, we all know why that is.

I'm actually NOT sure why. I assume it's because we are unlikely to recognize the actor by name, so they are labeled by their profession? Or is there some other reason? Not being rhetorical. I don't know who Jesse Smollett is.

OP (nkurz) explained that he wanted to focus on the civil liberties and surveillance aspects rather than the specifics of this person's rather famous case.

Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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at what point does this projection of judicial power against individuals in the name of safety (whose safety? whats really at stake here even?) become terrorism?

What if it comes out that he was coordinating with the Harris campaign to help get her anti-lynching bill passed which had been dead before the incident due to extremely low rates of lynching in modern America? They attended protests together and were at least familiar if not friends.

Whose safety is threatened by that law?

Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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post #3

I (and we should all) act as if this could happen to anyone. Essentially that the state can deputize any company to snitch on the digital ephemera that constitutes our daily lives, but especially those that we are deeply engaged: Google, Facebook, Lyft, Amazon. As such, we should not self-censor, but instead disengage from these proxy-cops and move to more distributed spaces.

It’s clear you have no idea what this actor did. He staged a hate crime in Chicago and the main cook county attorney dropped the case after CPD proved it was fake. With your radical views, where do you draw the line? Will you vote to protect criminals, child abusers, rapist? All in an effort for “privacy”?

It's clear you have made up your mind without the facts. Note the Tribune's reticence to come to that conclusion based on the actual evidence? I have zero opinion about it.

Separate to that this comment has absolutely nothing whatever to do with the parent comment, whether you agree with the parent or not. Rights should exist for everyone, not just everyone you happen to like. Whether this warrant has gone too far as the parent suggests and it is necessary to take countermeasures or not is the argument, not your feelings about someone accused of something which frankly have no baring on anything in such a discussion.

Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data

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post #3

I (and we should all) act as if this could happen to anyone. Essentially that the state can deputize any company to snitch on the digital ephemera that constitutes our daily lives, but especially those that we are deeply engaged: Google, Facebook, Lyft, Amazon. As such, we should not self-censor, but instead disengage from these proxy-cops and move to more distributed spaces.

Jussie Smollet isn’t just anyone. Filing a false police report is a crime. Don’t commit crime and you’ll be fine, idiot.
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