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Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data
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#12Highly disturbing that the court is allowed to request that much data without any legal restrictions [on privacy].
I don't know why you think there aren't any legal restrictions - this wasn't a random LEO going cowboy and trying to hack into google, a judge directly ordered this action and signed onto the warrants.
I mean as far as privacy is concerned. They were able to request all text messages, documents, location data, voicemails without any stipulation that they were relevant to the case.
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#13I (and we should all) act as if this could happen to anyone. Essentially that the state can deputize any company to snitch on the digital ephemera that constitutes our daily lives, but especially those that we are deeply engaged: Google, Facebook, Lyft, Amazon. As such, we should not self-censor, but instead disengage from these proxy-cops and move to more distributed spaces.
>the state can deputize any company to snitch on the digital ephemera that constitutes our daily lives this is not true, but in the way that makes your point much, much worse. In the US, case precedent is already set that digital data that you don't physically own is not yours. IANAL, but my understanding is that the standards for digital search-and-seizure are lower for cloud services, not equivalent or (god-forbid)…
Right. But I suppose the thing is under it is conveniently (for the prosecution) consolidated under one company's umbrella, so I don't think it totally invalidates OP's point. What about companies such as Proton Mail? Would they just hand over all their data? I don't know. Honestly asking.
Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data
#14Highly disturbing that the court is allowed to request that much data without any legal restrictions [on privacy].
The courts are the legal restriction. The way in which the evidence collected can be challenge in the appellate courts.
I realize that didn’t expect to be taken so literally.
Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data
#15Highly disturbing that the court is allowed to request that much data without any legal restrictions [on privacy].
This is a court-authorized search warrant authorized by a aitting judge. It doesn't get any more legal than that, and it's Google or any other company's legal duty to comply.
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#16at what point does this projection of judicial power against individuals in the name of safety (whose safety? whats really at stake here even?) become terrorism?
Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know why you think there aren't any legal restrictions - this wasn't a random LEO going cowboy and trying to hack into google, a judge directly ordered this action and signed onto the warrants.
I mean as far as privacy is concerned. They were able to request all text messages, documents, location data, voicemails without any stipulation that they were relevant to the case.
Well, yeah. They have to go through them to determine if they're relevant. Same reason a physical search warrant will let the cops seize a vaguely defined bunch of stuff from your house.
In particularly sensitive cases, the judge may appoint an official to be a go-between between the evidence and the prosecution. For example: https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/04/26/special-master-evidenc...
Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data
#18I (rhetorically) wonder why the title does not contain the "actor's" name. But then again, we all know why that is.
Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data
#19at what point does this projection of judicial power against individuals in the name of safety (whose safety? whats really at stake here even?) become terrorism?
Right after taxes become theft but before abortion becomes murder.
Re: Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data
#20I (and we should all) act as if this could happen to anyone. Essentially that the state can deputize any company to snitch on the digital ephemera that constitutes our daily lives, but especially those that we are deeply engaged: Google, Facebook, Lyft, Amazon. As such, we should not self-censor, but instead disengage from these proxy-cops and move to more distributed spaces.
State has a duty to prosecute law breakers. This is a load bearing wall of civil society. Everywhere.
Making sweeping general statements is good for riling up the mobs but I would implore HN readers to be more pragmatic about these things.
Look at the context. This person sought to ignite racial tensions for personal gain. He was given a sweetheart deal. The State is going after him and those protected him. They (the State prosecutors) have every right to collect and gather evidence to build the case.