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Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by sschueller »

echelon wrote: post #12

(Edit: We don't know what caused this incident. Speculation follows. It's best to not form conclusions until the experts examine the evidence.) It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth. Video taken during the crash, the plane is clearly engulfed in flames: https://mobile.twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/121475622529397... Video of the aftermath /…

This is all speculation at this point. Let's hope we find the definite cause as some point.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by rococode »

echelon wrote: post #12

(Edit: We don't know what caused this incident. Speculation follows. It's best to not form conclusions until the experts examine the evidence.) It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth. Video taken during the crash, the plane is clearly engulfed in flames: https://mobile.twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/121475622529397... Video of the aftermath /…

Edit: Never mind! I commented about a tweet that suggested the fireball was maybe a missle but it looks like people who know better agree that's not the case

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by kitteh »

beagle3 wrote: post #16
tzfld wrote: post #2

Not related to the Iran-US conflict, it seems.

Could be e.g. the Iranian's shooting iit down due to hairline trigger Iranian defense (or otherwise a mistake identifying the civilian aircraft as enemy aircraft) - in this case, I would say it IS related to the conflict, even though it is entirely on one side.

Given how many other aircraft depart tehran on that same route to the northwest that would be a massive error given how close it is to the airport.

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

ryeights wrote: post #39
sparkling wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't point fingers at anyone, but: - A 3-year old 737 operated by a reputable airline does not just turn into a huge fireball mid-air and crash like a rock like we see it in the video: https://youtu.be/xRc31DTStwA - It just doesn't happen. - Iran declaring it a "technical error" just hours after the crash is dubious/untrustworthy to say the least. We need a indepedend aviation agency to look at the case, investiga…

I will—-Iran has a history of supporting terrorist groups and activities, and this is no different...

Hezbollah doesn't shoot down airplanes full of Iranians heading to Kiev on vacation.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by sschueller »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #15

A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…

"A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues."

That is what we heard after the first 737-Max crash as well. Then came another one and the same line was spewed all over.

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Post by Valmar »

ryeights wrote: post #39
sparkling wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't point fingers at anyone, but: - A 3-year old 737 operated by a reputable airline does not just turn into a huge fireball mid-air and crash like a rock like we see it in the video: https://youtu.be/xRc31DTStwA - It just doesn't happen. - Iran declaring it a "technical error" just hours after the crash is dubious/untrustworthy to say the least. We need a indepedend aviation agency to look at the case, investiga…

I will—-Iran has a history of supporting terrorist groups and activities, and this is no different...

According to Israel, who have been trying, for decades, to destroy Iran.

Israel then uses their slave, the US, to do their dirty work for them.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by shuckles »

sparkling wrote: post #28
xster wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to be conclusive with that video. Iran's own state media says the engine was on fire. Not necessarily contradicted by the video. https://en.irna.ir/news/83625750/147-Iranians-32-foreigners-...

A fire in the engine is not enough to turn a 737 into a huge burning fireball that crashes within 20 seconds. Regarding the missile theory: if it was a missle, it was probably accidential. The majority of passengers on board were Iranian citizens.

Remember Stuxnet?

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Post by mikejb »

sparkling wrote: post #28
xster wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to be conclusive with that video. Iran's own state media says the engine was on fire. Not necessarily contradicted by the video. https://en.irna.ir/news/83625750/147-Iranians-32-foreigners-...

A fire in the engine is not enough to turn a 737 into a huge burning fireball that crashes within 20 seconds. Regarding the missile theory: if it was a missle, it was probably accidential. The majority of passengers on board were Iranian citizens.

> Regarding the missile theory: if it was a missle, it was probably accidential. The majority of passengers on board were Iranian citizens.

Unless it was a non-Iranian missile, or a rogue actor.

(At this point, it's all speculation)

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Post by 0x8BADF00D »

sschueller wrote: post #45
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #15

A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…

"A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues." That is what we heard after the first 737-Max crash as well. Then came another one and the same line was spewed all over.

Exactly, it’s the safest passenger plane model until it isn’t.
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