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America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #40
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #38

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> Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute Recently went to a plant-based pizza place. (Unknowingly.) Pizza comes out. It's a white pizza. Cashew cheese all over it. Biting into what you think is cheese and getting cashew is disgusting. Biting into a cashew, sage and roasted pepper flatbread is quite nice. The language around substitutes likely needs to evolve for mass adoption. (That or make it literally unrecogni…

Just had mac and cheese (with cashew sauce as the cheese) at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago, couldn't tell the difference between it and the real deal. It's unlikely you're going to get away with calling cashew sauce "cheese" at scale, but when properly made it gets close.

> Just had mac and cheese at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago

Mind sharing the name? I'm out there in a few weeks.

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by hkeide »

kasplat wrote: post #31
jononomo wrote: post #19

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I just think you're damaging your kids by not giving them milk, which is the most nutritious thing you can feed a kid. Also, your kids may be lactose intolerant due to other stuff in their diet, like gluten or other toxins in plant-based foods that lead to a leaky gut.

there is no evidence that gluten is bad for you if you're not gluten-sensitive.

Yet gluten sensitivity is on the rise

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by toomuchtodo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #41
toomuchtodo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just had mac and cheese (with cashew sauce as the cheese) at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago, couldn't tell the difference between it and the real deal. It's unlikely you're going to get away with calling cashew sauce "cheese" at scale, but when properly made it gets close.

> Just had mac and cheese at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago Mind sharing the name? I'm out there in a few weeks.

10th Street Diner. Also highly recommend their take on a BLT. Enjoy!

https://www.yelp.com/biz/10th-street-diner-indianapolis

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by ppseafield »

Fricken wrote: post #26
m463 wrote: post #14

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There's lots of evidence milk isn't as good for you as the dairy industry advertises.

There's evidence my ancestors have been drinking milk for at least 10,000 years. It's field tested.

Dairy is the most common food allergy.

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by matheweis »

There are a handful of local milk producers and distributors in multiple states that by most appearances are doing well, for example:

AZ: https://www.danzeisendairy.com/ WA: https://www.twinbrookcreamery.com/

To me, this (the unwinding of the large consolidated food companies) is largely a good thing.

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by Fricken »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #34
Fricken wrote: post #26

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There's evidence my ancestors have been drinking milk for at least 10,000 years. It's field tested.

> There's evidence my ancestors have been drinking milk for at least 10,000 years Most humans can't digest lactose after infancy [1]. For those who can, we have limited research around the quantity in and frequency with which their ancestors consumed whole milk. Comparisons to modern milk, produced by stressed-out cows bred for volume and fed god-knows-what, are tenuous. [1] https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/lactose-…

Nutritional science has gotten a lot of things badly wrong, so it plays second fiddle to how I feel when I add or remove something from my diet. I've tried on a few occasions to cut dairy from my diet. It was sub-optimal.

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #18
jononomo wrote: post #17

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Where did you get that idea? Milk is one of the 2-3 most nutritious foods on Earth. In fact, milk has been designed by evolution over millions of years to be precisely what a mammal needs to thrive.

Some humans have the necessary genes to digest milk, some do not. Can't lump all mammals together. > Milk contains a type of sugar called lactose, which is distinct from the sugars found in fruit and other sweet foods. When we are babies, our bodies make a special enzyme called lactase that allows us to digest the lactose in our mother’s milk. But after we are weaned in early childhood, for many people this stops. Wi…

Is there a test to determine if you do make lactase?

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #6
klipt wrote: post #5

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Whole milk is still recommended by pediatricians for toddlers, I imagine plant based milk is not nutritionally equivalent.

We use pea milk with our kids because they're lactose intolerant. Pediatrician recommended as long as they're getting more protein and fat elsewhere in their diet (which they do). It doesn't hurt that peas don't care how they're raised and treated to produce milk. Dairy milk is not nutritionally necessary in any age cohort. If you enjoy it, that's fine of course, but it isn't required if you don't.

How did you determine that they are lactose intolerant? Just trial and error, or is there a specific way to confirm this?

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by toomuchtodo »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #47
toomuchtodo wrote: post #18

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Some humans have the necessary genes to digest milk, some do not. Can't lump all mammals together. > Milk contains a type of sugar called lactose, which is distinct from the sugars found in fruit and other sweet foods. When we are babies, our bodies make a special enzyme called lactase that allows us to digest the lactose in our mother’s milk. But after we are weaned in early childhood, for many people this stops. Wi…

Is there a test to determine if you do make lactase?

https://www.healthline.com/health/lactose-tolerance-tests#te...

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by gunn »

echoesofthepast wrote: post #33
_bxg1 wrote: post #28

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I don't understand how bigger waves haven't yet been made about these locusts. Where's the New York Times expose? Proposals by Congress on how to make this vampirism illegal? Literally anything?

Tucker Carlson had a good segment on one example of private equity destroying a small American town by bankrupting a business that was by all measures doing well. I haven't seen it anywhere else in mainstream media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdwH066g5lQ

Excellent clip thank you.
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