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America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by kasplat »

jononomo wrote: post #19
toomuchtodo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use pea milk with our kids because they're lactose intolerant. Pediatrician recommended as long as they're getting more protein and fat elsewhere in their diet (which they do). It doesn't hurt that peas don't care how they're raised and treated to produce milk. Dairy milk is not nutritionally necessary in any age cohort. If you enjoy it, that's fine of course, but it isn't required if you don't.

I just think you're damaging your kids by not giving them milk, which is the most nutritious thing you can feed a kid. Also, your kids may be lactose intolerant due to other stuff in their diet, like gluten or other toxins in plant-based foods that lead to a leaky gut.

there is no evidence that gluten is bad for you if you're not gluten-sensitive.

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by shhshahassa »

dpatru wrote: post #16
bestnameever wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best mac and cheese I have ever had was vegan although that was from a vegan restaurant so I don't even know how they made it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7q2Ry-pC6Rw Here are my kids making vegan mac and cheese.

no one asked for this lol

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by echoesofthepast »

_bxg1 wrote: post #28
sp332 wrote: post #3

A counterpoint: these companies were recently bought by private equity firm KKR Co, the same company that loaded up Toys 'R Us with debt and then liquidated it. https://mobile.twitter.com/rhinosoros/status/121424602712711... This bankruptcy filling might just be negotiation in the courts to reduce pension obligations.

I don't understand how bigger waves haven't yet been made about these locusts. Where's the New York Times expose? Proposals by Congress on how to make this vampirism illegal? Literally anything?

Tucker Carlson had a good segment on one example of private equity destroying a small American town by bankrupting a business that was by all measures doing well. I haven't seen it anywhere else in mainstream media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdwH066g5lQ

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Fricken wrote: post #26
m463 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's lots of evidence milk isn't as good for you as the dairy industry advertises.

There's evidence my ancestors have been drinking milk for at least 10,000 years. It's field tested.

> There's evidence my ancestors have been drinking milk for at least 10,000 years

Most humans can't digest lactose after infancy [1].

For those who can, we have limited research around the quantity in and frequency with which their ancestors consumed whole milk. Comparisons to modern milk, produced by stressed-out cows bred for volume and fed god-knows-what, are tenuous.

[1] https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/lactose-intolerance

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by koboll »

cowpig wrote: post #10

The title of the article states that milk producers are "going bankrupt," but then cites the rising costs of raw milk, which seems like a good thing for a milk producer. So I look up the company on wikipedia and Borden Dairy is a processor & distributor, not a producer. Furthermore, "employee pension obligations" being cited as a primary cause of bankruptcy without any more details raises a red flag for me. This arti…

If you can't discharge student loans in bankruptcy, you damn well shouldn't be able to discharge pensions you've promised your employees for decades.

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by r00fus »

_bxg1 wrote: post #28
sp332 wrote: post #3

A counterpoint: these companies were recently bought by private equity firm KKR Co, the same company that loaded up Toys 'R Us with debt and then liquidated it. https://mobile.twitter.com/rhinosoros/status/121424602712711... This bankruptcy filling might just be negotiation in the courts to reduce pension obligations.

I don't understand how bigger waves haven't yet been made about these locusts. Where's the New York Times expose? Proposals by Congress on how to make this vampirism illegal? Literally anything?

Presumably lots of dollars does a lot of talking all on its own. Ill gotten or not.

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jononomo wrote: post #17
m463 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's lots of evidence milk isn't as good for you as the dairy industry advertises.

Where did you get that idea? Milk is one of the 2-3 most nutritious foods on Earth. In fact, milk has been designed by evolution over millions of years to be precisely what a mammal needs to thrive.

> designed by evolution over millions of years to be precisely what a mammal needs to thrive

Infant mammals. Adults consuming the milk of another species is recent. (About 10,000 years in humans.)

We have mixed evidence for the benefits of milk. It was a rich source of calories when those were scarce. Today, it might promote obesity. And good advice for some is bad advice for others. For example, milk boosts iron at the expense of vitamin D; that makes it favorable for light-skinned people at high latitudes [1].

Milk's branding as a superfood essential for kids is a product of post-war propaganda [2]. (TL; DR The U.S. government boosted dairy demand to feed soldiers. After the war, that production was threatened. So civilian demand was boosted.)

[1] https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/131/1/e144

[2] https://dairymarkets.org/pubPod/pubs/EB9505.pdf

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #13
bestnameever wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best mac and cheese I have ever had was vegan although that was from a vegan restaurant so I don't even know how they made it.

Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute.

> Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute

Recently went to a plant-based pizza place. (Unknowingly.) Pizza comes out. It's a white pizza. Cashew cheese all over it.

Biting into what you think is cheese and getting cashew is disgusting. Biting into a cashew, sage and roasted pepper flatbread is quite nice.

The language around substitutes likely needs to evolve for mass adoption. (That or make it literally unrecognisably similar, e.g. what Impossible and Beyond Meat are trying to do, at which point one likely surrenders many health benefits.)

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by roenxi »

cowpig wrote: post #10

The title of the article states that milk producers are "going bankrupt," but then cites the rising costs of raw milk, which seems like a good thing for a milk producer. So I look up the company on wikipedia and Borden Dairy is a processor & distributor, not a producer. Furthermore, "employee pension obligations" being cited as a primary cause of bankruptcy without any more details raises a red flag for me. This arti…

Prices might well be rising because producers are going bankrupt. One of the signs of a healthy markets is low profits & low costs although of course 'low' is all relative.

But yeah, probably trying to get out of pension liabilities.

Re: America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt

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Post by toomuchtodo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #38
toomuchtodo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute.

> Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute Recently went to a plant-based pizza place. (Unknowingly.) Pizza comes out. It's a white pizza. Cashew cheese all over it. Biting into what you think is cheese and getting cashew is disgusting. Biting into a cashew, sage and roasted pepper flatbread is quite nice. The language around substitutes likely needs to evolve for mass adoption. (That or make it literally unrecogni…

Just had mac and cheese (with cashew sauce as the cheese) at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago, couldn't tell the difference between it and the real deal. It's unlikely you're going to get away with calling cashew sauce "cheese" at scale, but when properly made it gets close.
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