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Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by robryan »

SandB0x wrote: post #12

> The battle of devices has now become a war of ecosystems, where ecosystems include not only the hardware and software of the device, but developers, applications, ecommerce, advertising, search, social applications, location-based services, unified communications and many other things. Our competitors aren't taking our market share with devices; they are taking our market share with an entire ecosystem. This means…

This is the way forward, a company that wants to develop native apps for mobile must already work with so many different systems. A new startup is going to focus on an iphone app, if they are successful or well capitalized from the start then they will look at android. The third choice in the market is shaping to be windows 7 phone.

Expecting companies to develop for then yet another platform, one which seems to be redefined often, is asking a lot and will result in getting only the really big players and lower rate developers trying to cash in on the under exploited platform.

In a way it's similar to Yahoo outsourcing their search to Bing, advertisers focused most of their attention on adwords and then also rolled some Bing campaigns, but only so much attention can then be given to the third player in the market for even less ROI for time spent due to the lower search volume.

Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by follower »

SandB0x wrote: post #12

> The battle of devices has now become a war of ecosystems, where ecosystems include not only the hardware and software of the device, but developers, applications, ecommerce, advertising, search, social applications, location-based services, unified communications and many other things. Our competitors aren't taking our market share with devices; they are taking our market share with an entire ecosystem. This means…

I'd rather Nokia actually be the only truly open mobile platform out there. No, Android isn't sufficiently open.

It's my phone, at a minimum I should be able to pull all my own data off it in any form I choose.

Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by kenjackson »

ergo98 wrote: post #36
chc wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has been making similar margins on all of its products for the past 10 years. How can you say it isn't sustainable?

10 years ago Apple had 5 billion in revenue. Now they're pushing 100 billion in revenue. They butting in on competitors who operate in the 5% margin range, and who are all desperately starting to claw back at Apple's gains. No, it isn't sustainable. History will prove me out, and in 3 years I would bet that Apple has seen a significant margin haircut. Quote me on a 50% decline. As a comparison, by the way, look at So…

Apple and Sony do share some similarities, but at least one big difference exists... Sony focused on licensing technology, from CD to BetaMax. Whereas Apple is creating a walled garden to lock in customers.

Sony eventually got commodotized in the very technology they created. This won't happen with Apple. At worst they get undercut in their industry, but Apple has a rich ecosystem that has to stay with Apple to reap the benefits.

And just for the record, no downvotes from me.

Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by Geee »

robryan wrote: post #41
SandB0x wrote: post #12

> The battle of devices has now become a war of ecosystems, where ecosystems include not only the hardware and software of the device, but developers, applications, ecommerce, advertising, search, social applications, location-based services, unified communications and many other things. Our competitors aren't taking our market share with devices; they are taking our market share with an entire ecosystem. This means…

This is the way forward, a company that wants to develop native apps for mobile must already work with so many different systems. A new startup is going to focus on an iphone app, if they are successful or well capitalized from the start then they will look at android. The third choice in the market is shaping to be windows 7 phone. Expecting companies to develop for then yet another platform, one which seems to be r…

Not really, Nokia's Ovi Store is now third in downloaded apps per day. However, in many countries such as in China, Ovi Store is the most popular app store.

http://www.forum.nokia.com/Distribute/Ovi_Store_statistics.x...

Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by wmf »

follower wrote: post #42
SandB0x wrote: post #12

> The battle of devices has now become a war of ecosystems, where ecosystems include not only the hardware and software of the device, but developers, applications, ecommerce, advertising, search, social applications, location-based services, unified communications and many other things. Our competitors aren't taking our market share with devices; they are taking our market share with an entire ecosystem. This means…

I'd rather Nokia actually be the only truly open mobile platform out there. No, Android isn't sufficiently open. It's my phone, at a minimum I should be able to pull all my own data off it in any form I choose.

IMO a GNU/free fork of Android would still be a better platform than MeeGo or Symbian, and would be cheaper to develop.

Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by whatusername »

kenjackson wrote: post #15
lamby wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment and Engadget's article seem to imply that Nokia failing in the smartphone market means that Nokia is failing generally. But wouldn't Nokia still be making a lovely profit even if they stuck to the more vanilla phones? Don't forget that only a fraction of people can afford these >= £500 devices and only a fraction of those buy them without financing.

Nokia used to be up around 60% of the mobile phone market (in terms of profit). Now they're around ~20%, while Apple is more than 50% (on less than 5% marketshare). Nokia is still making money, but pretty much all new profit is going to everyone else (especially Apple). http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2666565/posts

While I got schooled on some apple market share figures earlier today -- the IDC report that ZeroGravitas links to here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2192345 points out that Apple have 21.6% of the Australian market. (That's total market, not just smart-phone and not just profit)

Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by edderly »

Ignoring the problems with WP7, if Nokia were to produce phones with other 'external' OSes why would they stick with just one?

No one criticizes Samsung and they are pretty much a mobile-OS whore: SHP, Bada, WP7, Symbian (albeit a year or so ago), Android, Limo, etc.

N.B. Regarding SHP: I can't remember the name properly but this was the old/existing Samsung feature phone platform, it probably has got rolled into Bada, although Bada has two configurations (with and w/o the Linux kernel).

Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by shadowfox »

foobarbazetc wrote: post #39
Jayasimhan wrote: post #22

This is exactly where Steve Jobs found himself in 1997. He stood by and did what he wanted to [or may be not yet]. Hope Elop does it as well.

Unfortunately for Elop, there's only one Steve Jobs.

There can only be one hero?
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