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Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by zchrykng »

jakear wrote: post #69
zchrykng wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

Are you implying that a human with black skin is predetermined to commit crime at a higher rate? Or might there be some confounding variables, such as poverty, caused by hundreds/thousands of years of institutional racism?

Already responded to a few other similar question. Absolutely not what I'm saying. There are lots of factors driving the different rates, and black people are just on the wrong end of a lot of the trends. My original post was probably more snarky and should have had more background to what I was thinking, given how many people have asked questions like this.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by aaomidi »

datashow wrote: post #78
jenkins6g wrote: post #30

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Agreed, but as a black man who grew up fatherless be mindful why black fathers are absent. Many times it's not by choice. There were and still are intentional systems in place to make it difficult for fathers to get jobs, stay within the prison system, and have access to quality education. I urge people commenting to ask their black friends for their insights. I came from an inner city and graduated from CMU. The two…

I just happened to read a story where an Asian was killed while two blacks trying to steal laptop from him https://abc7news.com/5811847 The story mentioned one suspect's sister saying " I have 4 kids and no daddy in their lives ". I simply can't understand this. One kid , I can understand. But four? ... Four (Add: non has daddy present)? I just have too many questions. Add: I interpreted "no daddy in their lives" as…

"Two blacks"

You're seriously just going to identity people by their color of their skin?

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by aaomidi »

ausjke wrote: post #108

Black community does not have a solid culture and tradition comparing to other immigration minority groups, as other minority groups can succeed in USA without much troubles. I thought about adopting a black boy for a while, I may still do that, I want to help, but don't know how to do it, the gap is just too wide to connect for me somehow.

Yes because they didn't immigrate. They were ripped from their homes.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by zchrykng »

Infinitesimus wrote: post #97
zchrykng wrote: post #79

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We can argue all we want about how ineffective and/or misguided the War on Drugs has been, but that doesn't change that fact that crimes are crimes. Were some of the sentencing guidelines structured in a racist way? Maybe, I've heard people say that and don't have any evidence showing the opposite, but that is a side issue.

Check out https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/the-shocking-and-sickening-st... if you're curious. The money quote: > "You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understan…

Bleh, yeah. Hadn't seen that before.

Not a fan on the War on Drugs, especially not after reading that. On the other hand, I'm strongly in favor of enforcing the laws on the books, and if there is a bad law it should be changed, not ignored.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by aaomidi »

whb07 wrote: post #138
wayoutthere wrote: post #48

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There are many, many reasons why this is the case; but they were almost all a product of racist social engineering in the 20th century. And when I say racist, I mean people whose main argument was the genetic inferiority of black people. Progressives consistently caved to their demands under threat of violence. Showing up is hard to do when housing policy explicitly forbids black people from living within a 2 hour co…

And of course the engineering of the powerful Jews and Asians so that they now represent the upper tiers of the income distribution. /s Employment and family stats were vastly better pre 1960s government regulations. This isn’t some grand evil plan but the standard outcomes of a “we need more government help”, also known as “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

Were they?

Red lining was government intervention.

Or maybe you think before slavery was made illegal more people had jobs? Because yes. They were slaves.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by krapp »

erichocean wrote: post #139

Africa has "absentee fathers" in the Black community at the same rate as the US today, and likely for the same reason: that's just how children are raised by that culture. High rates of Black "fathers at home" during the Jim Crow era in the US was due to unethical cultural domination of Blacks by whites.

Africa is an entire continent. It doesn't have "a" culture, it likely has hundreds, if not thousands, and none of them are African American.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by pm90 »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #56
pm90 wrote: post #12

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> Self-reliance is not considered a meaningful goal - it's so much more convenient to herd them towards ethnically-focused non-profits and "community organizers" funded by government or by politically-minded foundations, mold them into people who will always be dependent on the government for something, 'useful idiots' for the political cause du jour. Sorry, there is no evidence for this at all. The community organiz…

I think that I understand what they said. It happens at school..you take kids who are hormonally challenged and have angst and frustration and you rub them the right way, you can create an army for any cause. When you come from stable families and have personal mentors, the recruiting efforts in schools and colleges fail. Someone who is a friend living in Oakland mentioned the other day that black kids are going to b…

> It is not ‘privilege’. I was the potential contained in the passed on genes of my family and they wanted to make sure I didn’t squander it. So they created the best environment for me. I had the added bonus of a large joint family which meant that the family was a miniature village of aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins, nieces and nephews as one family unit. Single parenthood is tough. I wish society would stop telling people that it’s easy. Community can take the place of family. Just don’t hand it over to govt that needs to be elected to maintain power and status quo.

That is quite literally the definition of privilege. What you call potential contained in the genes of your family is a myth. For whatever reasons, your family happened to be successful, but genetic fitness isn't the sole reason for their success.

What you characterize as the elasticity of youth is also privilege btw. Kids from many backgrounds aren't able to survive pitfalls, the safety nets that privilege creates is what enables those who have it to continue their success while others are penalized heavily by institutions.

> Community can take the place of family. Just don’t hand it over to govt that needs to be elected to maintain power and status quo.

In a democracy, the government is representative of the communities it governns. Again, you and should rely on both: community for setting principles and culture, Government for securing law and order and maintaining peace. In the current situation, the Government is actively hindering many communities by heavily penalizing mistakes, setting those communities back by a lot.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by thrw90 »

wjn0 wrote: post #73
zchrykng wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

> higher crime rates Source? Everything I've read suggests that crime rates are pretty much the same across race and ethnicity when controlling for economic status. The primary variable is contact with the justice system, i.e. getting caught.

https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/11/16/racial-differe...
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