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Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Black community does not have a solid culture and tradition comparing to other immigration minority groups, as other minority groups can succeed in USA without much troubles. I thought about adopting a black boy for a while, I may still do that, I want to help, but don't know how to do it, the gap is just too wide to connect for me somehow.

If that is your position please don't adopt anybody, black, white or any other shade.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

You're saying that black people have a higher propensity for crime. Is it not more plausible that humans are more or less alike, and the difference is outside their control?

Black people aren't predisposed to commit crimes more often than anyone else. It is just that a higher percentage of them grow up poor and/or with just a single parent, which are factors in likelihood to commit crimes, which leads to higher incarceration rates, which just feeds the beginning factors. When you control for economic status and parents, white people have similar rates. The factors that make it more likely for an individual to commit a crime are outside of their control yes, but committing a crime or not is always an individual's decision that can't be blamed on anyone else.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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post #54

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A big reason for the absence of black fathers is institutional white racism.

The percentage of African-American children in single-parent homes went from 20% in 1960 to 65% in 2017. Is institutional white racism worse now than it was sixty years ago?

racism can be "better" now overall, yet also be present in forms that make the absence of black fathers more prevalent than in the 60s.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big reason for the absence of black fathers is institutional white racism.

The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

A couple of notes: (1) even when adjusting for the 'crime rates' the sentencing lengths and the conviction rates for white vs black are way off and (2) the whole war-on-drugs things should be read as a 'war on people of color in all but name'.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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I guess if the government stopped putting a higher rate of black fathers in jail (they may show up).

Yeah right it’s the government taking black men at random in the street and putting them in jail for the single reason they’re black, just to destroy the black community. It has absolutely nothing to do with the said individuals breaking laws (sometimes with the side effect of creating another father-less family in the process), which are the same for everyone. Also doing criminal acts is a choice, not something that…

> Yeah right it’s the government taking black men at random in the street and putting them in jail

Well not as cut and dry as that, but cops harassing black kids walking the streets is an old tradition of law enforcement. Mix in some stop and frisk and you have an unfair system. I remember I made friends with some black kids in high school. I went down to their neighborhood. It didn't take long for a cop to pull up and start asking questions. I never had a cop approach me before that. It was eye opening. I lived only a mile away.

> laws...which are the same for everyone.

Oh really? Are you sure about that? There are many studies showing that black people have higher incarceration rates for the same crimes as their cohorts.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

There’s a number of studies over the years that show lesbian parents have had raised more emotionally stable, socially successful adults than men. “Fathers” full stop is an argument that agrees with what can be true in our reality. It’s almost as if things we know to be true are often just noises our motor functions generate, and may in fact, upon reflection, be belief not rooted in truth.

> Number of studies.

Source your claims (at least one.)

I very much doubt this because only recently has it been possible for parents of the same sex to adopt, let alone evaluate their performance as parents and generalise it. I would very much love to be proven wrong, however.

That being said, the issue here is not the gender of the parent, but rather single parenthood. A working single parent interacts very much little with their kid(s) in comparison with an atomic family.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

There are many, many reasons why this is the case; but they were almost all a product of racist social engineering in the 20th century. And when I say racist, I mean people whose main argument was the genetic inferiority of black people. Progressives consistently caved to their demands under threat of violence. Showing up is hard to do when housing policy explicitly forbids black people from living within a 2 hour co…

> Progressives consistently caved to their demands under threat of violence.

Say what? The progressive movement was born of using science to build a better society, including eugenics, abortion and other means of slowing the growing population of blacks.

Edit: this was not to say that conservatives were free from prejudice or fault for systemic injustices, only that there were no blameless hands, least of all those involved in the Progressive movement: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_State...

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

There are many, many reasons why this is the case; but they were almost all a product of racist social engineering in the 20th century. And when I say racist, I mean people whose main argument was the genetic inferiority of black people. Progressives consistently caved to their demands under threat of violence. Showing up is hard to do when housing policy explicitly forbids black people from living within a 2 hour co…

And of course the engineering of the powerful Jews and Asians so that they now represent the upper tiers of the income distribution.

/s

Employment and family stats were vastly better pre 1960s government regulations. This isn’t some grand evil plan but the standard outcomes of a “we need more government help”, also known as “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Africa has "absentee fathers" in the Black community at the same rate as the US today, and likely for the same reason: that's just how children are raised by that culture.

High rates of Black "fathers at home" during the Jim Crow era in the US was due to unethical cultural domination of Blacks by whites.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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According to your first link, the rule had been in place in some jurisdictions prior to 1968, but was struck down by the US Supreme Court at that time.

Such systems exist today, at least in Alaska. The GRA is only available to single parents. https://singlemothersgrants.org/single-mothers-assistance-in...

To clarify: the Supreme Court did not say that assistance could not be restricted to single parents. The "Man in the House" rule said that a woman was not single if she even had a boyfriend who was not her children's father, if her boyfriend ever visited her house. That's the part that was struck down.

As for the restriction to single parents, I can certainly see the potential for unintended consequences. Paying people not to get married means fewer people will get married — just as paying people not to work, as the "welfare cliff" effectively does, means fewer people will work. I broadly support the idea of helping people who need help, but it needs to be done in such a way that it doesn't tend to trap them in their situations.

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