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Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

The article does not mention whether or not the subject's father was present in his life. Why did you leap straight to that?

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Great article, but our societal approach to minority folks is not oriented towards individual mentorship unfortunately. Self-reliance is not considered a meaningful goal - it's so much more convenient to herd them towards ethnically-focused non-profits and "community organizers" funded by government or by politically-minded foundations; mold them into people who will always be dependent on the government for somethin…

> Self-reliance is not considered a meaningful goal - it's so much more convenient to herd them towards ethnically-focused non-profits and "community organizers" funded by government or by politically-minded foundations, mold them into people who will always be dependent on the government for something, 'useful idiots' for the political cause du jour.

Sorry, there is no evidence for this at all. The community organizations that you speak of are trying to provide assistance as well. One can be self-reliant and also participate in their community.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

Exactly. Black fathers are screwing it up for generations it seems. We only need to go back a couple of generations to see how good fathers behaved and how that affected the civil rights movement. As in the type of behavior seen during that era is something I can't imagine today - the behavior of those marching and protesting in peace. Obviously there are bad apples in every batch but by and by...

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

It is, quite seriously, heartening, as a father, to know that just 1) being there at all, and 2) trying with some amount of thoughtfulness not to screw up your kids, puts you well into the top half of fathers, by quality. You can still mess up constantly, and pretty badly, but remain better than average.

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

I guess if the government stopped putting a higher rate of black fathers in jail (they may show up).

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

The article does not mention whether or not the subject's father was present in his life. Why did you leap straight to that?

Probably because GP is making a general point about the subject of the article.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104793/

It's not easy to link to on this page (unless someone can help me out), but there's interesting data about fathers being present in the lives of their children and its impact.

The beige/tan chart about 35% of the way down is what I'm referring to.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

There’s a number of studies over the years that show lesbian parents have had raised more emotionally stable, socially successful adults than men.

“Fathers” full stop is an argument that agrees with what can be true in our reality.

It’s almost as if things we know to be true are often just noises our motor functions generate, and may in fact, upon reflection, be belief not rooted in truth.

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