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Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by legopelle »

zchrykng wrote: post #58
sidlls wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big reason for the absence of black fathers is institutional white racism.

The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

You're saying that black people have a higher propensity for crime. Is it not more plausible that humans are more or less alike, and the difference is outside their control?

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by antepodius »

jeffrallen wrote: post #27
shantly wrote: post #9

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It is, quite seriously, heartening, as a father, to know that just 1) being there at all, and 2) trying with some amount of thoughtfulness not to screw up your kids, puts you well into the top half of fathers, by quality. You can still mess up constantly, and pretty badly, but remain better than average.

It's not a competition. It's a responsibility.

It can be both. The competition can help you figure out how you're doing.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by wjn0 »

zchrykng wrote: post #58
sidlls wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big reason for the absence of black fathers is institutional white racism.

The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

> higher crime rates

Source? Everything I've read suggests that crime rates are pretty much the same across race and ethnicity when controlling for economic status. The primary variable is contact with the justice system, i.e. getting caught.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by tpmx »

sidlls wrote: post #54
Meekro wrote: post #32

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'Years ago, I interviewed Kweisi Mfume, then the president of the NAACP. "As between the presence of white racism and the absence of black fathers," I asked, "Which poses the bigger threat to the black community?" Without missing a beat, he said, "The absence of black fathers."' - Larry Elder

A big reason for the absence of black fathers is institutional white racism.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21957325 places the result of that racist + non-racist incarceration at 11% of the total male black population (20-34).

Are there any numbers on how many black fathers are absent?

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by [deleted] »

notadev wrote: post #37
itsallideologyj wrote: post #18

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There’s a number of studies over the years that show lesbian parents have had raised more emotionally stable, socially successful adults than men. “Fathers” full stop is an argument that agrees with what can be true in our reality. It’s almost as if things we know to be true are often just noises our motor functions generate, and may in fact, upon reflection, be belief not rooted in truth.

Then why did you not bother citing a single one?

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by [deleted] »

zchrykng wrote: post #58
sidlls wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big reason for the absence of black fathers is institutional white racism.

The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by xnyan »

tasogare wrote: post #50
notrekasa wrote: post #15

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I guess if the government stopped putting a higher rate of black fathers in jail (they may show up).

Yeah right it’s the government taking black men at random in the street and putting them in jail for the single reason they’re black, just to destroy the black community. It has absolutely nothing to do with the said individuals breaking laws (sometimes with the side effect of creating another father-less family in the process), which are the same for everyone. Also doing criminal acts is a choice, not something that…

I know you think you are being sarcastic, but this very thing does happen, see stop and friskbl for example - white men on 5th avenue were not being "randomly" stopped.

Black men have been and continue to be systamaticly oppressed in the US. Black men serve more prison time than white men for the same crime. Black men are more likely to be charged for a crime vs dropped by the prosecutor when compared to a similar situation for whites.

This has been going on since litterly before the US existed when blacks were sold like animals for two centuries in america. Black people face institutional barriers to voting, jobs, loans, education and more.

This is a matter of fact not opinion.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by datashow »

jenkins6g wrote: post #30
maxaf wrote: post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

Agreed, but as a black man who grew up fatherless be mindful why black fathers are absent. Many times it's not by choice. There were and still are intentional systems in place to make it difficult for fathers to get jobs, stay within the prison system, and have access to quality education. I urge people commenting to ask their black friends for their insights. I came from an inner city and graduated from CMU. The two…

I just happened to read a story where an Asian was killed while two blacks trying to steal laptop from him https://abc7news.com/5811847

The story mentioned one suspect's sister saying " I have 4 kids and no daddy in their lives ". I simply can't understand this. One kid , I can understand. But four? ... Four (Add: non has daddy present)? I just have too many questions.

Add: I interpreted "no daddy in their lives" as they never had a daddy present ever. This could be my mistake.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by zchrykng »

baselined wrote: post #62
zchrykng wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

The War on Drugs is the cycle of incarceration and racism

We can argue all we want about how ineffective and/or misguided the War on Drugs has been, but that doesn't change that fact that crimes are crimes. Were some of the sentencing guidelines structured in a racist way? Maybe, I've heard people say that and don't have any evidence showing the opposite, but that is a side issue.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by wolco »

haecceity wrote: post #64
robmiller wrote: post #51

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Specifically, I understand a 1968 law put into effect the Man in the House rule. Black families had to decide if welfare would pay better than the father's job. Many left the house so the mother and child(ren) could receive the welfare payment. The Moe Factz podcast has been helpful to me in understanding these structural problems in society. https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Man-in-the-Ho... http://www.…

What was the justification for this rule? It almost seems intentionally malicious.

It sounds progressive at the time.

Men worked, if one wasn't part of the home then women needed more support.

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