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Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

I guess if the government stopped putting a higher rate of black fathers in jail (they may show up).

Very insightful. It becomes a vicious cycle when fathers aren’t even able to show up because they’re behind bars.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Probably applies to all children, not just those with specific genetic attributes.

The author shares these kids' "specific genetic attributes" and feels that they're especially qualified to talk about what these kids need. They don't necessarily trust their own expertise beyond that.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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This gets into a much larger issue of policing intersectioning with darker skinned peoples in the US. When many of the dads are arrested in jail or prison, obviously they aren't being mentors. And they aren't permitted to be in their childrens' lives. And much of this is overpolicing and overcriminialization. Add this to sentences being worse, and it's unsurprising it happens. We as a nation are setting the situation…

Crazy thought. Maybe stop committing crime and you won’t go to prison.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Great article, but our societal approach to minority folks is not oriented towards individual mentorship unfortunately. Self-reliance is not considered a meaningful goal - it's so much more convenient to herd them towards ethnically-focused non-profits and "community organizers" funded by government or by politically-minded foundations; mold them into people who will always be dependent on the government for somethin…

A trivial example of the pervasiveness of what you are describing is the fact my comment that merely stated "These things are no mutually exclusive" got flagged within 30 seconds. It is a comeplete denial of agency.

You need to have discipline to be able to benefit from a mentor. And probably vice versa.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

That's a simple analysis to an incredibly complex issue. There are many reasons some black fathers aren't around to raise their kids. Some reasons under their control, many not. The cycle continues until underlying circumstances (societal, penal, etc) are addressed.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess if the government stopped putting a higher rate of black fathers in jail (they may show up).

Very insightful. It becomes a vicious cycle when fathers aren’t even able to show up because they’re behind bars.

It's a system built on discrimination, the idea that people of different color are going through the exact same thing is ridiculous. People love telling other people how to fix problems they have no idea about.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

It is, quite seriously, heartening, as a father, to know that just 1) being there at all, and 2) trying with some amount of thoughtfulness not to screw up your kids, puts you well into the top half of fathers, by quality. You can still mess up constantly, and pretty badly, but remain better than average.

It's not a competition. It's a responsibility.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article does not mention whether or not the subject's father was present in his life. Why did you leap straight to that?

Probably because GP is making a general point about the subject of the article. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104793/ It's not easy to link to on this page (unless someone can help me out), but there's interesting data about fathers being present in the lives of their children and its impact. The beige/tan chart about 35% of the way down is what I'm referring to.

I can link to stats that link absentee black fathers to criminal justice bias, and stats that show lesbian parents are producing stabler kids than hetero couples at scale.

If statistical evidence is all we’re gonna rely on, it’s seems less to do with the dangly bits between a parents legs and more what emotional lessons they’re teaching while the other parent takes some very much needed rest.

What a shock, sharing the emotional load keeps one anxious train wreck parent from raising an anxious train wreck kid who can’t achieve.

Life lessons we knew decades ago but now we have a stat. So it means more I guess to be gentle with each other.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

I guess if the government stopped putting a higher rate of black fathers in jail (they may show up).

So what's the incarceration rate for black men (or black fathers) in the typical age where they have children? (I guess ~18-35?) Seems like this stat should be publicly available.

Perhaps I'm naive, but I can't imagine it to be more than 15% of this population [and that would be pretty extreme]. If that's the case, how can incarceration be considered a major cause of these fathers "failing from showing up?" (I guess we'd need a number for that, too..)

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

Agreed, but as a black man who grew up fatherless be mindful why black fathers are absent. Many times it's not by choice. There were and still are intentional systems in place to make it difficult for fathers to get jobs, stay within the prison system, and have access to quality education. I urge people commenting to ask their black friends for their insights. I came from an inner city and graduated from CMU. The two worlds are stark and mind blowing. But in the end, more mentors at an early age can help break the cycle. That's how you can play your part.
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