Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

reuters.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 220 posts

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#151

Post by QuarterReptile »

ynniv wrote: post #103
withinrafael wrote: post #25

Additional details are present in the unpublished rule (document 2019-27649 [1][2]). -- cut -- Geospatial imagery “software” “specially designed” for training a Deep Convolutional Neural Network to automate the analysis of geospatial imagery and point clouds, and having all of the following: 1. Provides a graphical user interface that enables the user to identify objects (e.g., vehicles, houses, etc.) from within geo…

This overly specific intersection of requirements is how you target a single product in legislation.

I saw a great example of this when I was looking at VA gun laws today. They have an exception structured as follows: Virginia law exempts from these requirements any firearms shows held in any town with a population of not less than 1,995 and not more than 2,010, according to the 1990 United States census [1]

[1] https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-shows-in-virginia/

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#152

Post by __s »

A protectionist response to the US losing power, & trying to stave off brain drain. They should be considering any person who knows how to program with Tensorflow a munition. Mitigating brain drain is a hopeless endeavor. US should make their immigration more liberal to try encourage US as a destination for brain drain, as opposed to a source. Drain or be drained

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#153

Post by DerSaidin »

withinrafael wrote: post #25

Additional details are present in the unpublished rule (document 2019-27649 [1][2]). -- cut -- Geospatial imagery “software” “specially designed” for training a Deep Convolutional Neural Network to automate the analysis of geospatial imagery and point clouds, and having all of the following: 1. Provides a graphical user interface that enables the user to identify objects (e.g., vehicles, houses, etc.) from within geo…

Looks like a nice concise list of key features for someone to reimplement.

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#154

Post by bluepickles »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #151
ynniv wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This overly specific intersection of requirements is how you target a single product in legislation.

I saw a great example of this when I was looking at VA gun laws today. They have an exception structured as follows: Virginia law exempts from these requirements any firearms shows held in any town with a population of not less than 1,995 and not more than 2,010, according to the 1990 United States census [1] [1] https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-shows-in-virginia/

"The provisions of this section shall not apply to firearms shows held in any town with a population of not less than 1,995 and not more than 2,010, according to the 1990 United States census."

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title54.1/chapter42/sect...

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#155

Post by michannne »

__s wrote: post #152

A protectionist response to the US losing power, & trying to stave off brain drain. They should be considering any person who knows how to program with Tensorflow a munition. Mitigating brain drain is a hopeless endeavor. US should make their immigration more liberal to try encourage US as a destination for brain drain, as opposed to a source. Drain or be drained

Are there any studies or reports that point to the US falling behind technologically in regards to software research?

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#156

Post by joana035 »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #143
kaybe wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So that would mean I, as a foreigner, will have to do a little work to import it instead. That won't stop a lot of technically literate people.

Remember how it was done the last time the idiotic US government did the same stunt with crypto.... Zimmerman (PGP) physically printed and bound books containing the full OCR-happy font of the source code. Evidently to the dinosaurs in Congress, a physical book is something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than a file online.

us and non-us mirrors, bxa notices, oh my!

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#157

Post by andrei_says_ »

Seems like China is way ahead in the AI game, including by applying it for mass surveillance and oppression.

I highly recommend the Frontline documentary on AI in China.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/in-the-age-of-ai/

They see AI as the next industrial revolution and have decided to make sure they are at its forefront. And likely they will, which means that we’ll be the ones trying to import their tech.

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#158

Post by joe_the_user »

kragen wrote: post #4

Bernstein's case established that he had a First Amendment right to publish source code under the law in effect at the time; he argued, successfully, that this was the form in which his research was communicated to other researchers. He won his case, but it took many years, and of course court cases are political processes; they may be decided differently when different judges have been appointed to the bench. It see…

Yeah, the thing about this stuff is the "law is so vague as to be meaningless" and "encryption/AI/whatever is just executing operations on a computer, what do you mean really?" are much harder defenses than one would think.

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#159

Post by colejohnson66 »

Fragoel2 wrote: post #7

Seems way more narrow than the title implies "The rule will likely be welcomed by industry, Lewis said, because it had feared a much broader crackdown on exports of most artificial intelligence hardware and software"

That doesn’t make it ok. It’s just the Overton Window[0]. Say something ridiculous so what you really want is deemed “not as bad.”

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

#160

Post by colejohnson66 »

hanniabu wrote: post #86
solarengineer wrote: post #61

Naieve question: Are there any repositories (e.g. Hosted at github) that one should mirror?

Good question, bumping for visibility

This isn’t reddit. Replies don’t “bump” posts.
Post reply on HN