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U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software
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Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software
#62"... boost oversight of exports of sensitive technology to adversaries like China, for economic and security reasons..."
I think economic is the keyword here. From what I gather this is not the first time the US is doing something like this. I am pretty sure other countries have done the same in their particular areas of concern. They're just not as mighty and famous as the US so nobody pays attention. So much for free market.
Anyways I think it is a little too late and all it will accomplish is - opening a window of opportunity for other players.
Also because it formulated way too broad and has an escape clause (apply for a license) then it might offer an unfair advantage right inside the US. Big companies will get it and for smaller it nay be more difficult. Same as patent system. Company like Apple can patent my cat with little troubles. Me: not so much and I speak from experience.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Canada counts as the US for several national security purposes. There's a lot of cooperation to prevent this type of loophole.
When they had the cryptography restriction, I’m pretty sure it was still ok in Canada to export it. That’s why OpenBSD is based in Calgary.
OpenBSD is based in Calgary because Theo lives there.
Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software
#64We're in an early and explosive growth stage of AI where well-established statistical knowledge is having an unreasonable effect when combined with computing power. I've yet to see any AI platform that is mindbending vs doing basic math with a multivariate normal distribution. The eyewatering stuff is the number of Hz of computing power being thrown into simulating Go games, etc, etc. Assuming that among 1.4 billion…
"I've yet to see any AI platform that is mindbending"
1. Siri / Alexa and similar for voice recognition and doing basic tasks.
2. Face recognition for uploaded pictures on Facebook.
3. Lots of people use FaceID on iPhones.
4. Tesla and other SDC systems: yes, it's not good enough for general use, but the fact that it mostly works in California is pretty cool..
"Mindbending" is subjective, but these all use DNNs, and are used by millions to billions of people every day. So it's incorrect to suggest that all DNN use-cases could be replaced with "doing basic math with a multivariate normal distribution".
Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "graphical user interface" bit is weird. I suppose you are fine if the software is driven entirely by keyboard shortcuts.
Not so weird. Palantir put a GUI on Hadoop/whatever and that was enough to sell it to every government for citizen inspection. It’s the GUI that gets the contracts, not the technology alone.
If a government
1) wants to acquire a geospatial imagery recognition program;
2) does not have the tech themselves;
3) can import the underlying tech without interface;
I highly doubt a restriction on GUI export will stop them.
Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software
#66Bernstein's case established that he had a First Amendment right to publish source code under the law in effect at the time; he argued, successfully, that this was the form in which his research was communicated to other researchers. He won his case, but it took many years, and of course court cases are political processes; they may be decided differently when different judges have been appointed to the bench. It see…
The ethical argument for why everyone should have access to cryptography is a lot stronger than why everyone should have access to satellite imagery recognition algorithms. Also, cryptography requires both sides to use the same algorithm, while companies don't need to use the same recognition algorithms. It also helped, in the crypto case, that you could print some version of it on a T-shirt or mail it on a postcard.…
I believe the emphasis here was on the generic right of disseminating research not on judging the necessity of a specific technology for particular audience.
Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd be interested in how you would do NLP tasks such as those now done with transformers like gtp2 and Bert by working with multi variate normal distributions.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. There was a time when a software engineer didn't get basic stuff. A time when languages like C were developed where there wasn't an associative data structure baked in for example. It wasn't because associative data structures are a secret tech that requires great insight to uncover. It is because the field was new and people hadn't cottoned on to how basic and important havin…
I spent at least five years trying to use statistical ml and mlps to do NLP on social media comments from about 2003. Nothing like a transformer (or an rnn even) occurred to me.
I have a belief that someone in the USSR worked out a way of doing fluid dynamics that has enabled the Russians to develop hypersonics and super cavitation. This is probably rather straightforward - in the style of NS - of you know the principles. No one in the West ( or China) knows those principles, so Western torpedos and reentry vehicles are rather poor Vs Russian ones. Once you grasp how something works the fact that it's rather easy to apply in comparison to the process of getting the insight shouldn't detract from the value of the insight .
Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software
#68We're in an early and explosive growth stage of AI where well-established statistical knowledge is having an unreasonable effect when combined with computing power. I've yet to see any AI platform that is mindbending vs doing basic math with a multivariate normal distribution. The eyewatering stuff is the number of Hz of computing power being thrown into simulating Go games, etc, etc. Assuming that among 1.4 billion…
They are Dumb and they are just Reacting out of some "fuck we have to do something" instinct driven by jobless fucks like Peter Thiel/Graham Allison/Kai-Fu Lee constant rhetoric about AI and falling behind and how its going to effect everyone.
This is Fear based Decision Making 101. All it leads to is more absurd outcomes such as Endless Wars, Huge Monopolies, More consolidation of power and resources in the hand of few therefore more inequality.
These people and this thinking style would have more credibility if they had stopped Wars, reduced inequality, disrupted monopoly and oligopolies. They have not done that.
The can't imagine a Chinese AI team and American AI team working together to solve problems in humane way. They can't imagine constructing orgs that push that through. They can't imagine punishing their own who cross lines out of fear that the other side wont.
When we allow Fear based thinking to dominate decision making Imagination dies. Outcomes are consistently shit. And way below the potential of what people collaborating and communicating across artificial bullshit boundaries are capable off.
Pick a side and don't back Fear based Decsion makers in your org. These guys hold back progress, are the reason climate change research is hidden, endless Wars keep getting funded and monopolies cling to power way past their expiry date.
How can it be the age of information and knowledge when fear wins?
Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software
#69This assumes the US is ahead of China in image recognition. Is there any justification for that?
No there isn't. ImageNet 2017 was won by a Chinese startup, for example.
Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. There was a time when a software engineer didn't get basic stuff. A time when languages like C were developed where there wasn't an associative data structure baked in for example. It wasn't because associative data structures are a secret tech that requires great insight to uncover. It is because the field was new and people hadn't cottoned on to how basic and important havin…
I spent at least five years trying to use statistical ml and mlps to do NLP on social media comments from about 2003. Nothing like a transformer (or an rnn even) occurred to me. I have a belief that someone in the USSR worked out a way of doing fluid dynamics that has enabled the Russians to develop hypersonics and super cavitation. This is probably rather straightforward - in the style of NS - of you know the princi…
The wiki page on RNN says the early groundwork was done in 1986 and the LSTM was a 1997 innovation. If they didn't occur to you in 2003 that doesn't imply much, they are not suprising concepts.
The surprise was that in the mid-2000s suddenly GPU became so powerful that LSTM could be used to achieve interesting results. The story here isn't the models, it is the computers running the models.