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Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

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Post by hawaiianbrah »

coldtea wrote: post #20
hawaiianbrah wrote: post #9

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I’ve always wondered about that stat. What does “watch porn” mean? 1x a year? 1x a month? 1x a week? I think people assume the rate is higher than it really is.

There are stats available from porn sites. E.g.: Now we’re not saying that size matters, but 2018 was an impressively big year for Pornhub and its users. Visits to Pornhub totaled 33.5 billion over the course of 2018, an increase of 5 billion visits over 2017. That equates to a daily average of 92 million visitors and at the time of this writing, Pornhub’s daily visits now exceed 100 million. 2018 saw Pornhub’s avera…

Unless I missed it, I didn’t see something as plain as “X million in the US watch porn at least 1x a week” or something like that, which is what I’m curious about.

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Post by coldtea »

hawaiianbrah wrote: post #101
coldtea wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are stats available from porn sites. E.g.: Now we’re not saying that size matters, but 2018 was an impressively big year for Pornhub and its users. Visits to Pornhub totaled 33.5 billion over the course of 2018, an increase of 5 billion visits over 2017. That equates to a daily average of 92 million visitors and at the time of this writing, Pornhub’s daily visits now exceed 100 million. 2018 saw Pornhub’s avera…

Unless I missed it, I didn’t see something as plain as “X million in the US watch porn at least 1x a week” or something like that, which is what I’m curious about.

They say "Once again, the United States continues to be the country with the highest daily traffic to Pornhub".

The give a graph of top 20 countries, which they say represent an aggregated 80% of their traffic.

The US is first, and take around 40-50% of that traffic.

Let's go with 40%. Of 80% that's ~ 32% of total.

They also say: "Pornhub’s daily visits now exceed 100 million".

This means 32% of 100M, so around 32M americans visit Pornhub alone each day.

And that's just one porn network. Along with Pornhub (which is however the most visited) there are also XVideos, XHamster, XNXX, Redtube in the list of Top 50 most popular websites.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

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Post by bbg215 »

mysterydip wrote: post #56
erikpukinskis wrote: post #42

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This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the p…

My comments were not about the people in this story directly. I am certainly not blaming them for what happened. My point is, if you don't control the source of the recording (whatever it may be), you can't control what happens to it. With how easy it is to share any data these days, it could go places you don't want it to very quickly. "Have fun" was a general comment for people. Look at all the political fallout th…

Exactly. Even if what they told the girls was 100% true -- the videos would be on DVDs only distributed in Australia and New Zealand, there is little reason to think those scenes on a DVD wouldn't end up online on a streaming porn site.

The most disturbing part of this is the doxing of the girls after the fact and that they shorted them on payment after doing their scenes. Changing the terms of the shoot once they arrived actually has happened a lot in porn over the years.

There is no free lunch in life -- you don't make $3000-$5000 for filming something that will never see the light of day.

It sucks that the girls fell for their con, but there was an extreme amount of naivety on their part that allowed them to be conned in the first place.

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Post by friedxenon »

eweise wrote: post #100
kikim0ra wrote: post #91

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Can you be more specific on why you think the people who sent emails are "evil" and deserve to be judged? And I'm talking about moral aspect here, not legal. > They are clearly nothing but malicious, bigoted and evil. Try to look at it this way. Jane Doe lived in a society (family, coworkers, friends) where she was respected and was considered to be good, ethical and honourable person. At the same time she wanted to…

"Can you be more specific on why you think the people who sent emails are "evil" and deserve to be judged" Sure. they did something to harm another person without any real benefit to society. I know you argue that "her students parents may not want a porn actor to teach their children" but of course there is no actual harm of a porn actor teaching children. Parents only object to the idea that a porn actor is teachin…

"but of course there is no actual harm of a porn actor teaching children"

Why would you be the judge of that? Parents have every right to object to their children being influenced by people that they consider to have poor character. Some people believe that libertine indulgence is a marker of poor character or poor education.

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Post by friedxenon »

01100011 wrote: post #74
SkyMarshal wrote: post #69

This whole thing is idiotic. The lying producers are assholes. The women are idiots for trusting anything told to them in this context by complete strangers motivated only by money. In the words of Shakespeare, "all are punished". >“These are millennial women who grew up with the internet – they knew the consequences of pornographic videos ending up online which is why they asked where the videos were going before th…

I hope you don't have kids. 18 year olds do dumb things. They're legally adults but neurologically speaking that's questionable. My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job. Glad to know you think she's an idiot. Class act there buddy.

What kind of job requires a pornographic audition? Most 18 year olds I knew when I was 18 would've laughed at the idea.

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Post by ColanR »

progval wrote: post #49
ColanR wrote: post #43

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Your comment, however, implies a naivete that we should trust others - to do only what they say they will, with things that are precious to us. The people shooting the video are frauds, but allowing the video to be shot at all was naive at best and stupid at worst.

> implies a naivete that we should trust others - to do only what they say they will, with things that are precious to us. We trust strangers all the time. For example when driving, because we expect dangerous people to be sufficiently de-incentived from driving. Or when doing groceries, because we expect companies not to poison us. Or when riding in a stranger's car, even though they could rob and/or harm.

> when driving

We actually exhibit a low level of trust, given the extreme safety measures we build into our cars and the segregation of our highway corridors. 'Trusting strangers' would look like cars without airbags, and the removal of speed limits in residential areas.

We do not trust food companies not to poison us. We require an accounting of every ingredient that goes into every piece of food we eat, and companies are held accountable to that list. If you think we trust food companies, read about the reaction to Upton Sinclair's book The Jungle. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle)

> Or when riding in a stranger's car, even though they could rob and/or harm. Isn't that the running joke? That harm does happen, and somehow we still roll the dice and use those services.

I'm just surprised that we trust pharma companies as much as we do.

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Post by Jamwinner »

friendly_fren wrote: post #98
ajmurmann wrote: post #53

> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly no…

They see something they disapprove of, it goes against their values. So they spread awareness of what happened.

With little or no thought or concern for what happens next.

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Post by justanotherhn »

wruza wrote: post #90
ffdjjjffjj wrote: post #58

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Are you in the US?

In Russia.

What sites do you mainly use in Russia? The big western sites or something like VK for finding videos? Sorry if personal, I'm just curious.

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Post by chopchopgoodbye »

3fe9a03ccd14ca5 wrote: post #61
ajmurmann wrote: post #53

> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly no…

That part made me sick to my stomach. I’m glad these women received some financial redress, but there’s nothing that will make up for their experience. Before the internet people had so much more room to make mistakes. It’s a tough time for young people to slip up.

"Before the internet people had so much more room to make mistakes. It’s a tough time for young people to slip up."

I hope we as a society can at some point adjust our expectations of young people - or people in general - based on this fact.

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

01100011 wrote: post #74
SkyMarshal wrote: post #69

This whole thing is idiotic. The lying producers are assholes. The women are idiots for trusting anything told to them in this context by complete strangers motivated only by money. In the words of Shakespeare, "all are punished". >“These are millennial women who grew up with the internet – they knew the consequences of pornographic videos ending up online which is why they asked where the videos were going before th…

I hope you don't have kids. 18 year olds do dumb things. They're legally adults but neurologically speaking that's questionable. My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job. Glad to know you think she's an idiot. Class act there buddy.

> They're legally adults but neurologically speaking that's questionable

Adolescence has been recently extended to 20-something years.

I think this is still not enough, looking at myself 30 years back and looking at my children and their friends.

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