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Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

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Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I anecdotally feel like a majority of people watch porn now-days, so not really a heartbreaking retort.

I’ve always wondered about that stat. What does “watch porn” mean? 1x a year? 1x a month? 1x a week? I think people assume the rate is higher than it really is.

If you can recognize the face of someone you met randomly from an ocean of porn online, I think it’s safe to say that person watches more frequently than once-a-anything.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#42

(no disrespect intended to the victims in this story when I say this) This is a cautionary tale in the world we live in today: Once something is recorded, it could be anywhere. Even without willful intent on the part of the owner, phones get lost or stolen, old hardware gets sold on ebay, cloud accounts get compromised, etc. Have fun, but be careful.

This does indeed come off as disrespectful.

These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone.

The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do.

They also provided drugs and alcohol to the participants before offering paperwork.

This is fraud, pure and simple, thus the monetary reward. And your comment here comes across as patronizing at best. You read an article about criminal behavior and then blamed the victims of the crimes.

“Have fun”? These are desperate people desperately trying to negotiate a contract so they can survive. This is not some kids having sexy time.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#43

(no disrespect intended to the victims in this story when I say this) This is a cautionary tale in the world we live in today: Once something is recorded, it could be anywhere. Even without willful intent on the part of the owner, phones get lost or stolen, old hardware gets sold on ebay, cloud accounts get compromised, etc. Have fun, but be careful.

This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the p…

Your comment, however, implies a naivete that we should trust others - to do only what they say they will, with things that are precious to us.

The people shooting the video are frauds, but allowing the video to be shot at all was naive at best and stupid at worst.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#44
post #33

Reading through comments I feel like being from completely another world. While an option is to simply stay silent, I struggle to understand how that plot ends up unquestioned by everyone except lawyers. Is it self-censoring in action? Because I feel self-censored.

I think you are saying that we should treat the accused as just that: innocent until proven guilty. Which is a very good policy. Especially since this industry sees a lot of attacks on the grounds of of "immorality"

But in this case we have moved beyond merely accused. We have a completed verdict in a real trail. And although the judicial system has flaws, in this case the weaker parties actually won against the more powerful. And in several instances too.

So I think it's reasonable people feel quite confident that the verdict was correct and that the good guys won here.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#45

(no disrespect intended to the victims in this story when I say this) This is a cautionary tale in the world we live in today: Once something is recorded, it could be anywhere. Even without willful intent on the part of the owner, phones get lost or stolen, old hardware gets sold on ebay, cloud accounts get compromised, etc. Have fun, but be careful.

This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the p…

It's not disrespectful, it's a fact of life.

Any photo, any video that is shared/stored on a device you don't own, will almost certainly end up eventually being shared outside the originally intended circles.

It doesn't even matter if the person or company you're dealing with fully intends to keep their word. The nature of all data is it leaks over time.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#46

(no disrespect intended to the victims in this story when I say this) This is a cautionary tale in the world we live in today: Once something is recorded, it could be anywhere. Even without willful intent on the part of the owner, phones get lost or stolen, old hardware gets sold on ebay, cloud accounts get compromised, etc. Have fun, but be careful.

This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the p…

Why the anger? The GP was not blaming the victim but giving a warning. Whether it be through scumbag criminals or a lost device, content recorded and uploaded digitally can often never be deleted.

They were sick individuals that exploited these women. Individuals like that will never go away so we need to be vigilant through enforcement of laws and education of the public.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#47

(no disrespect intended to the victims in this story when I say this) This is a cautionary tale in the world we live in today: Once something is recorded, it could be anywhere. Even without willful intent on the part of the owner, phones get lost or stolen, old hardware gets sold on ebay, cloud accounts get compromised, etc. Have fun, but be careful.

This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the p…

You make many good points, but aren’t being charitable to OP.

No one has disputed this was fraud, and a vile one besides.

And if OP intended to suggest equivalence between i) careless but informedly consenting teens having fun and ii) victims of fraud, that would be incorrect.

Telling people to be careful, however, is not blaming the victim. I don’t have kids, but this is advice I expect to give them.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#48

(no disrespect intended to the victims in this story when I say this) This is a cautionary tale in the world we live in today: Once something is recorded, it could be anywhere. Even without willful intent on the part of the owner, phones get lost or stolen, old hardware gets sold on ebay, cloud accounts get compromised, etc. Have fun, but be careful.

This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the p…

They have videos of these woman stating they weren't under the influence of anything and explicitly giving permission for the videos to be used in any way.

I bet you there are plenty of women who walked away because they recognized the lie, either when asked to do that specific video or sooner. What the poster above you was attempting to do is possibly educate others about not being naive. That has real value that your virtue signaling doesn't.

And you're going to try and tell me that they were given drugs and alcohol before doing the paperwork. And I'm going to respond that I would never do that, and I bet you plenty of women recognized the problem and walked away at that point too. The fact that these women didn't have any of their defenses up means they were naive, and that naivete got them taken advantage of.

Pointing out that people need to be less naive is not victim blaming anymore than an officer telling you to keep your doors locked after you got robbed is victim blaming.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#49
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the p…

Your comment, however, implies a naivete that we should trust others - to do only what they say they will, with things that are precious to us. The people shooting the video are frauds, but allowing the video to be shot at all was naive at best and stupid at worst.

> implies a naivete that we should trust others - to do only what they say they will, with things that are precious to us.

We trust strangers all the time. For example when driving, because we expect dangerous people to be sufficiently de-incentived from driving. Or when doing groceries, because we expect companies not to poison us. Or when riding in a stranger's car, even though they could rob and/or harm.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#50
post #33

Reading through comments I feel like being from completely another world. While an option is to simply stay silent, I struggle to understand how that plot ends up unquestioned by everyone except lawyers. Is it self-censoring in action? Because I feel self-censored.

I think you are saying that we should treat the accused as just that: innocent until proven guilty. Which is a very good policy. Especially since this industry sees a lot of attacks on the grounds of of "immorality" But in this case we have moved beyond merely accused. We have a completed verdict in a real trail. And although the judicial system has flaws, in this case the weaker parties actually won against the more…

that's my take on it too. I didn't fully read through all the details, but I have to believe that courts did their due diligence and the women were legitimately coerced by the website.

And I've just realized that 'legitimately coerced' out of context sounds like an oxymoron.

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