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U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

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Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

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They say it doesn't apply to Canada. What prevents a Chinese company to open a business in Canada and get access to US A.I software without the license?

"What prevents a Chinese company to open a business in Canada and get access to US A"

What prevents a Chinese company from opening a business in the US to get access to US technology? I mean...nothing...that's exactly what they do.

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I doubt the US is ahead in this area. China gains heaps upon heaps or practical experience in CV by sheer virtue of the breadth of its surveillance networks. Not to say we aren't doing the same here in the US, but efforts seem to be much more scattered

I can see the surveillance network providing vastly more training data. But isn't that orthogonal with developing the algorithms? Or is it that training data provides experience, which improves the algorithms? Or the application of the algorithms?

It's not just availability of data for training networks; I was mainly referring to practical engineering know-how built by field experience

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I would not be suprised if we get something along the lines of "Unfortunately, this repository is currently unavailable in your country" sometime soon. Many websites still completely block EU users post GDPR, e.g. Chicago Tribune.

So that would mean I, as a foreigner, will have to do a little work to import it instead. That won't stop a lot of technically literate people.

Remember how it was done the last time the idiotic US government did the same stunt with crypto.... Zimmerman (PGP) physically printed and bound books containing the full OCR-happy font of the source code.

Evidently to the dinosaurs in Congress, a physical book is something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than a file online.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt the US is ahead in this area. China gains heaps upon heaps or practical experience in CV by sheer virtue of the breadth of its surveillance networks. Not to say we aren't doing the same here in the US, but efforts seem to be much more scattered

I can see the surveillance network providing vastly more training data. But isn't that orthogonal with developing the algorithms? Or is it that training data provides experience, which improves the algorithms? Or the application of the algorithms?

> But isn't that orthogonal with developing the algorithms?

Assuming it is - China is also competitive on developing algorithms. A few months ago there was a post on explosion of AI papers submitted by authors at Chinese research institutions, with no signs of slowing down.

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Additional details are present in the unpublished rule (document 2019-27649 [1][2]). -- cut -- Geospatial imagery “software” “specially designed” for training a Deep Convolutional Neural Network to automate the analysis of geospatial imagery and point clouds, and having all of the following: 1. Provides a graphical user interface that enables the user to identify objects (e.g., vehicles, houses, etc.) from within geo…

This overly specific intersection of requirements is how you target a single product in legislation.

Can anyone comment on who the specific vendor or what specific product might be? The AND-criteria makes this restriction pretty narrow, and the GUI requirement alone rules out practically everything I can think of.

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Bernstein's case established that he had a First Amendment right to publish source code under the law in effect at the time; he argued, successfully, that this was the form in which his research was communicated to other researchers. He won his case, but it took many years, and of course court cases are political processes; they may be decided differently when different judges have been appointed to the bench. It see…

The ethical argument for why everyone should have access to cryptography is a lot stronger than why everyone should have access to satellite imagery recognition algorithms. Also, cryptography requires both sides to use the same algorithm, while companies don't need to use the same recognition algorithms. It also helped, in the crypto case, that you could print some version of it on a T-shirt or mail it on a postcard.…

> The ethical argument for why everyone should have access to [math] is a lot stronger than why everyone should have access to [math].

Sorry, I don't understand your argument.

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

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The main impact of these regulations is not going to be on the software availability overseas but on the software jobs availability for foreign nationals, IMO.

I work on ITAR-regulated software and, even though, the software itself is exported all over the world, I would not be able to write it if I had been a national of a restricted country, working in the US on a temporary visa.

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Gosh! There are like thousand github repos that do these stuff. This could become a tool to prosecute a lot of unwanted people like DeCSS.

Governments don’t make laws to fight other countries. They have armies for that. They make laws to control their citizens.

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