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U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

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Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

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Post by Aperocky »

peter303 wrote: post #84

I recall similar happening during Bush admin during 2000s. Many of our software customers were international. To obtain an export license we were required to scan our source code with an approved Dept of Commerce scan software vendor to look for all kinds of inappropriate code like a too strong cryptography algorithm in the licensing portion and plagarism of copyrighted code. The first couple of releases this was don…

lmao this is hilarious. Imagine dealing with such stupidity while other countries don’t have to, instant competitive disadvantage

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Post by ransom1538 »

olivierduval wrote: post #92

It's funny: it reminds me of "strong cryptography export ban" in the 2000's (btw, Oracle java still have it: you must download strong crypto package separatly)... Obviously, it failed! You can stop a single vendor with unique technology to provide hardware components with bans, but you can't stop a whole field spreading knowledge!!! People come and go, meet, talk, write, exchange knowledges... so sooner or later (and…

I don't think the government actually wanted to stop math [1] from leaving the border. It was just a tool to use against people they suspected being involved espionage. Just another reason to put you in a cell.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_algorithm

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

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Post by ynniv »

withinrafael wrote: post #25

Additional details are present in the unpublished rule (document 2019-27649 [1][2]). -- cut -- Geospatial imagery “software” “specially designed” for training a Deep Convolutional Neural Network to automate the analysis of geospatial imagery and point clouds, and having all of the following: 1. Provides a graphical user interface that enables the user to identify objects (e.g., vehicles, houses, etc.) from within geo…

This overly specific intersection of requirements is how you target a single product in legislation.

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Post by krzyk »

olivierduval wrote: post #92

It's funny: it reminds me of "strong cryptography export ban" in the 2000's (btw, Oracle java still have it: you must download strong crypto package separatly)... Obviously, it failed! You can stop a single vendor with unique technology to provide hardware components with bans, but you can't stop a whole field spreading knowledge!!! People come and go, meet, talk, write, exchange knowledges... so sooner or later (and…

> Oracle java still have it: you must download strong crypto package separatly

Not true since java 8u161, and similarly for 7 and 6. And not true for every java > 8.

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jce...

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/8u161-relnotes...

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

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Post by bpanon »

Animats wrote: post #3

This assumes the US is ahead of China in image recognition. Is there any justification for that?

They use it for flight check-ins, entering the park, giving you a fine instantly for jaywalking, buying a soda from a vending machine, any many more use cases. I assume they are ahead.

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Post by taneq »

sytelus wrote: post #56
withinrafael wrote: post #25

Additional details are present in the unpublished rule (document 2019-27649 [1][2]). -- cut -- Geospatial imagery “software” “specially designed” for training a Deep Convolutional Neural Network to automate the analysis of geospatial imagery and point clouds, and having all of the following: 1. Provides a graphical user interface that enables the user to identify objects (e.g., vehicles, houses, etc.) from within geo…

Gosh! There are like thousand github repos that do these stuff. This could become a tool to prosecute a lot of unwanted people like DeCSS.

Governments don’t make laws to fight other countries. They have armies for that. They make laws to control their citizens.

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Post by mlthoughts2018 »

The reason for this has to be economics / lobbyist driven. It makes no sense technologically (because it could not be effective) and there are far more dangerous examples of American companies developing technology that assists the Chinese military, such as private search engines and social credit systems that leave the general populace unable to make democratic influence on military actions or government policy.

Re: U.S. government limits exports of artificial intelligence software

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Post by ArtWomb »

withinrafael wrote: post #25

Additional details are present in the unpublished rule (document 2019-27649 [1][2]). -- cut -- Geospatial imagery “software” “specially designed” for training a Deep Convolutional Neural Network to automate the analysis of geospatial imagery and point clouds, and having all of the following: 1. Provides a graphical user interface that enables the user to identify objects (e.g., vehicles, houses, etc.) from within geo…

The export ban is on the software? Not the algorithm itself? And would it be broad enough that all AI and QI frameworks like PyTorch, Tensorflow and Qiskit would fall under its purview.

These restrictions seem to flow from a mental model that still views software as a product purchased in a shrink-wrapped box. Rather than the services based model currently extant.

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