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E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

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Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

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Whenever I go looking online at e-bikes, I'm always dismayed by what seems like artificially inflated pricing. It's difficult to believe that the engineering and manufacturing of most of these bikes justifies their 100+% premium over standard bikes.

There are some very clever e-bikes, and perhaps their prices are reasonable. But there are a lot of bikes which are standard models with an added Bosch motor on the crank and a battery clipped to the frame.

Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

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This is a fantasy in the US, change my view. We have waaaay too many overweight/obese people. And, as other comments point out, there would have to be a sacrifice in terms of automobiles for this to truly work. I find it highly doubtful that Americans would be willing to make that trade. Also, I think that if it came up there would be significant push back from groups you wouldn’t expect, like the disabled or union t…

> We have waaaay too many overweight/obese people

An e-bike doesn't care if you're overweight or obese. It might reduce range a little bit... But it's not an impediment to riding. Additionally in Denmark one can see a lot of out-of-shape people riding manual (non-electric) bikes. Urban biking does not require athleticism, just as suburban driving does not require the skills of a NASCAR driver.

> there would have to be a sacrifice in terms of automobiles for this to truly work. I find it highly doubtful that Americans would be willing to make that trade

Cities that are investing in better non-automobile infrastructure are seeing people move to other modes of transportation. In many places there's literally no more room to expand highways. That's why voters in places like LA and Seattle are writing billion-dollar checks to build out sustainable transportation infrastructure.

> We talk about how the middle/lower class feels a sense of generational wealth loss, a major push to move people to bicycles from cars would really drive(no pun intended) that message home.

The average American pays about $800/month in auto-expenses. I think I spend an average of $20/month maintaining my bike. All that extra money can be used for whatever your interests might be... eating at interesting restaurants, travel, indulging in a hobby, paying down student loans, etc.

Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

#143
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Helmets are for sports. Ebikes have a ~50% market share in Belgium where approximately nobody wears a helmet ever. It's really not an issue.

Helmets are for any activity that has an impact risk to your head which includes cycling not just sports. I live in Austria where few cyclists wear helmets yet my girlfriend who works in the local hospital sees patients coming in with serious head injuries on a daily basis from biking accidents that could have easily been prevented by wearing a helmet. Since then we both wear our helmets religiously. You don't even h…

Austrians use bicycles a lot more rigorously, but there is still a resistance to 'being told to wear a helmet' .. alas, it only takes one fall to demonstrate convincing evidence for why one should always, always, always wear a helmet.

Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

#144

For those who have e-bikes, what are your thoughts on riding them without the motor assistance? Is it heavy and difficult? Do they have battery regeneration from breaking? I've been on the fence about getting one, and normally ride a crappy hybrid bike to and from work every day, which an e-bike would be useful for. But I also do 40+ mile trips on weekends and am afraid that if the battery dies, I'll be lugging a hea…

It depends on the bike and on your condition. A normal cheap road bike weighs about 12 kg and an e-bike 22-24 kg. So riding the e-bike without e-assist is like riding a normal bike while being 10kg overweight (20 pounds maybe?) or like loading a bike with 10kg of cargo. It's doable, but is a lot heavier.

But there are also top of line electrified road bikes which are almost (almost!) like the road bikes they use in Tour de France but with an engine strapped onto them. They weigh about 11-13 kg and you'd have no trouble riding them without the assist. Of course those aren't cheap...

40 mile trips (60km?) are doable on e-bikes, but you'd have to conserve the battery. Like turning off the assist on flat terrain and only using it for riding uphill. Since you have a display indicating how much charge there's left you won't all of a sudden run out of power.

Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

#145

For those who have e-bikes, what are your thoughts on riding them without the motor assistance? Is it heavy and difficult? Do they have battery regeneration from breaking? I've been on the fence about getting one, and normally ride a crappy hybrid bike to and from work every day, which an e-bike would be useful for. But I also do 40+ mile trips on weekends and am afraid that if the battery dies, I'll be lugging a hea…

I have a middrive (BBS02) on a mountain bike and it absolutely sucks with a dead battery. You're not going to pedal much faster than 10MPH and it will be with decent effort unless you regularly cycle for exercise.

Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

#146
Truly written by a non-disabled twentysomething in Southern California who gets his groceries by delivery service.

Don't get me wrong, I bike every day there's no ice on the streets and really enjoy driving those Uber e-bikes too, but seriously: any mobilty solution that's aimed as a "revolution" can't go around people with disabilities, heavy rain, northern winters, multiple kids, 10km+ commuters, elderly people and transportation of more than 10kg of cargo.

If you're coming with cargo bicycles, you haven't tried parking one in an "already-convinced" city, also go read the above sentence again.

Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

#147

Truly written by a non-disabled twentysomething in Southern California who gets his groceries by delivery service. Don't get me wrong, I bike every day there's no ice on the streets and really enjoy driving those Uber e-bikes too, but seriously: any mobilty solution that's aimed as a "revolution" can't go around people with disabilities, heavy rain, northern winters, multiple kids, 10km+ commuters, elderly people and…

I don't like this line of thinking. The majority of the population (including children) is not disabled and is capable of riding an electric assisted bike - no one is proposing disabled people must also do the same.

It feels like a "gotcha". "Aha! because I cannot do this, no one can!"

Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

#148
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Helmets are for sports. Ebikes have a ~50% market share in Belgium where approximately nobody wears a helmet ever. It's really not an issue.

Helmets are for any activity that has an impact risk to your head which includes cycling not just sports. I live in Austria where few cyclists wear helmets yet my girlfriend who works in the local hospital sees patients coming in with serious head injuries on a daily basis from biking accidents that could have easily been prevented by wearing a helmet. Since then we both wear our helmets religiously. You don't even h…

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Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

#149

Truly written by a non-disabled twentysomething in Southern California who gets his groceries by delivery service. Don't get me wrong, I bike every day there's no ice on the streets and really enjoy driving those Uber e-bikes too, but seriously: any mobilty solution that's aimed as a "revolution" can't go around people with disabilities, heavy rain, northern winters, multiple kids, 10km+ commuters, elderly people and…

What if every non-disabled twenty something in Southern California rode a bike everywhere.

How much better would the lives of everyone else down there be with the reduced traffic?

Re: E-bikes could be the electric revolution cities need

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post #99

The main reason I prefer renting e-bikes instead of using my own bike isn't the electric power. It's the convenience and not having to worry about my bike getting stolen. If I only want to bike one way and not round trip, no worries. If I was to own an e-bike, I would want to not have to worry about it getting stolen. Everything would have to be like e-bikes you rent. All the parts would need to be integrated and not…

My non-e-bike has bolts in place of quick releases for wheels and saddle and a bolted-on dynamo-powered headlight. That essentially eliminates component theft. It takes about 20 seconds to use my u-lock to attach to a convenient pole or bike rack.

It's really quite simple to make your bike a less attractive target for theft.

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