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Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Post by komali2 »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #41
haunter wrote: post #5

IsaacL nailed it the best https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1027093 And surprisingly the WoW one is the most off :D

- As Moore's Law marches on, dynamic languages that are even slower than Ruby are likely to catch on. They may be to Ruby what Ruby is to Java, trading even more programmer time for CPU time. I dont think this happened?

Maybe JavaScript libraries and frameworks? I haven't touched too many of the "batteries included" ones but I see them out of the corner of my eye at meetups and hackathons, they seem unwieldy enough to fit the bill.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Post by kibwen »

wycy wrote: post #43
hyperpape wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dynamic languages slower than ruby prediction didn't hold up either. The past ten years have just seen nibbling around the edges for dynamic languages, without any compelling ideas about how to make them fundamentally more expressive.

Doesn’t that describe the rise of JavaScript? I haven’t done or seen any specific benchmarks, but I gathered that JS was among the slowest of languages.

JS is pretty much the fastest of the popular dynamic langs, if only because JS interpreters see highly-competitive investment from well-funded companies with armies of developers thanks to the web.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Post by whiddershins »

darzu wrote: post #23
haunter wrote: post #5

IsaacL nailed it the best https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1027093 And surprisingly the WoW one is the most off :D

> - The next big thing will be something totally unknown and unpredictable now, as user-generated content and social networking were in 1999. However, when it does appear, various 'experts' on it will spring from nowhere to lecture us all about it. It will still be really cool, though. I think this basically describes AI.

Ummm, Uber?

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Post by TulliusCicero »

haunter wrote: post #5

IsaacL nailed it the best https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1027093 And surprisingly the WoW one is the most off :D

> - As Moore's Law marches on, dynamic languages that are even slower than Ruby are likely to catch on. They may be to Ruby what Ruby is to Java, trading even more programmer time for CPU time.

Interesting how plausible this one is, yet turned out to be terribly wrong: the newer hyped languages that got some uptake were largely compiled ones like Swift, Rust, Kotlin, and Dart.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Post by randomdata »

mattmanser wrote: post #49
maerF0x0 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- As Moore's Law marches on, dynamic languages that are even slower than Ruby are likely to catch on. They may be to Ruby what Ruby is to Java, trading even more programmer time for CPU time. I dont think this happened?

You could argue that it's JavaScript. JavaScript had terrible performance even in 2008, can't remember now what it was like by 2010, but I would guess V8 was still pretty lacklustre back then.

I read it such that if, for arguments's sake, Ruby is 10 times slower than Java that people would start using a new language that is 10 times slower than Ruby. I'm not sure that ever described Javascript, and it certainly didn't as the decade progressed with the advancements that have been made in executing it.

I feel like that one simply missed the mark. If anything, there was greater emphasis towards languages that were more performant, even if less productive for banging out a working product.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Post by mattmanser »

ratww wrote: post #47
wycy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t that describe the rise of JavaScript? I haven’t done or seen any specific benchmarks, but I gathered that JS was among the slowest of languages.

No, it's pretty fast [1]. Chrome and V8 were released in 2008, and Node.js (which leverages V8) in 2009. V8 was already considered fast back then. Mozilla and Apple also focused on optimizing their JS stack in the following years. [1] I'm not a fan of linking to benchmarks, but that's the best I can do: https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... / https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benc…

No, it really wasn't. You had to use it in really specific ways and it had all sorts of gotchas. One I vaguely remember is that if an array got too big performance would tank like crazy.

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Post by [deleted] »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #41
haunter wrote: post #5

IsaacL nailed it the best https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1027093 And surprisingly the WoW one is the most off :D

- As Moore's Law marches on, dynamic languages that are even slower than Ruby are likely to catch on. They may be to Ruby what Ruby is to Java, trading even more programmer time for CPU time. I dont think this happened?

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Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Post by cortesoft »

kristianc wrote: post #15
axaxs wrote: post #9

Reading this made me a bit sad. So many people were optimistic, and many predicted exciting things... but few if any of that happened.

Hey, it wasn’t a terrible decade. We got the iPad!

10 years before that one commenter guessed!

Re: Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)

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Post by mattmanser »

randomdata wrote: post #55
mattmanser wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could argue that it's JavaScript. JavaScript had terrible performance even in 2008, can't remember now what it was like by 2010, but I would guess V8 was still pretty lacklustre back then.

I read it such that if, for arguments's sake, Ruby is 10 times slower than Java that people would start using a new language that is 10 times slower than Ruby. I'm not sure that ever described Javascript, and it certainly didn't as the decade progressed with the advancements that have been made in executing it. I feel like that one simply missed the mark. If anything, there was greater emphasis towards languages that…

It definitely did. IE6's JavaScript was super slow. You cannot even imagine how slow it was if you never worked in it.

Remember, IE6 was the dominate browser for years, so very slow JavaScript was the norm.

For example round about 2008 I made a client-side pivot table for a web app, tried it in JavaScript first, even trivial tables would take 10 seconds despite all the optimization I tried (in IE6, IE7 + Firefox).

I rewrote it using XML + XSLT and it was instant. But it was truly gnarly code.

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