Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

Post by chrisseaton » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:15 PM UTC

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #105

The entire country (Norway) had 0 children traffic deaths in 2019. In total 110 traffic deaths, of which 72% were men, very similar to the past few years. About 2/3rd of deaths were drivers or passengers in a car (the rest motorbike or pedestrian), and of those in cars 1/3rd were not using a seat belt. So it's likely you could get an immediate decrease in total traffic deaths of close to 20% if you could just force e…

Post by TomMarius » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:16 PM UTC

keymone wrote: post #123

TomMarius wrote: post #98

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I am not sure what you mean with this effectiveness. I live in Prague, the city with (what they say) one of the best public transport systems in the world, and yet, going to my workplace is 45 minutes by public transport and 15 minutes by car. Even though I live close to a subway and tram station, and the workplace is right in the city center, car still wins - where is the effectiveness you're talking about? This is…

public transport and cars often share the same medium, it's almost always impossible to improve public transport without impairing life of car drivers and be accused of car hating. also public transport is not there to help you shave off minutes from commute time, it's there for those who don't have the option of going by car.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:17 PM UTC

alistairSH wrote: post #114

vegardx wrote: post #96

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In Oslo at least, the crosswalks (usually) have lights if there's an intersection, and since there are no laws against crossing on red you are free to do so, as long as you don't create any dangerous situations. I'd argue that the lights are not to improve traffic flow, but to signal pedestrians that it's safe to cross, something sighted, young or otherwise healthy people often take for granted by just looking both w…

In the US, pedestrian signals do NOT signal when it’s safe to cross. Cars almost always have a green in the same direction, meaning they can turn into you. I almost get run over once a month because of this.

Post by upofadown » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:19 PM UTC

jstummbillig wrote: post #97

kortilla wrote: post #92

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Do trains stop for pedestrians crossing the tracks where you’re from? That sounds very inefficient.

Where there are no lights, pedestrians have right of way in Canada. Even though forcing a stop on the gasoline powered vehicle with much more momentum is strictly less efficient than making the pedestrian wait, it stuck as an arrangement, that made for a more enjoyable and relaxing city experience.

Post by klmr » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:22 PM UTC

rocqua wrote: post #112

Reason077 wrote: post #85

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”in the UK in any intersection with traffic lights the pedestrians will never have a green light at the same time as cars.” 3-phase signalled intersections (where pedestrians get a green signal to cross in all directions) are a relatively new development in the UK. They’re certainly common in London but I’d be very surprised if they’re rolled out to all intersections the UK.

Only European country I know about that has pedestrians on green crossing cars is Germany. And I live in Europe.