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Re: Reiser5

#51

Post by jojobas »

jacquesm wrote: post #30

Reiser is the only filesystem on Linux that I ever lost data to. And they really should drop the name, that's not just a wish but a must, keeping it is completely tone-deaf. I was all for giving Reiser the benefit of the doubt as long as he wasn't convicted but it looked bad from the start and the way he lied about it means that that name can not today or forever be associated with something that requires trust in an…

Also we should rename Michael Jackson's records because he was a pedo.

Or, you know, separate art from the author.

Re: Reiser5

#52

Post by 1000units »

echelon wrote: post #44
serf wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's sort of self-fulfilling-prophecy to talk about how bad the name tarnishes the project, while simultaneously explaining to everybody your opinion about why the name is bad. anecdote : I asked a young developer near me 'Hey, do you know the Hans Reiser story?'. The reply was 'Who?'. The reply came from someone familiar with the filesystem, and that general line of work. tl;dr : Reiser is just a name. It was recent…

> tl;dr : Reiser is just a name. It was recently the name of a 'bad guy', but it hasn't always been, and won't always be. It's a filesystem created by and named after a murderer. Just because you're fine with it does not mean everybody is.

Caring about the name is neurotic and childish. When it's no longer a filesystem named after a murderer, it will still be a filesystem inspired and created by a murderer. And it'd be equally stupid to refuse to use it on these grounds alone. Those complaining are indulging in the thrill of cheap activism more than engaging their rational mind, and giving into their demands merely enables pointless noise-making at best and at worst conditions (the few-to-no) emotionally unstable people genuinely offended by the name to embrace their fragility at the expense of the project instead of reaching this healthy, antifragile state of mind I inhabit.

Re: Reiser5

#53

Post by haymakel »

gdy wrote: post #49
haymakel wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that every single thread here, possibly every single comment, is so far referring to the name of the filesystem, speaks louder to me than your anecdote. (It's very hard, for me at least, to say that in a way that does not come across as snarky, which I don't intend to be.)

Selection bias

I think you might just be trolling, but in case you are not, I do not see how selection bias applies here. I (or anyone else) did not select any comments here. Close, or maybe even actual, 100% of the comments here are about the issue with the name, so unless you want to insinuate that the HN community responding to this is not in any way representative of people who care about filesystems, there is hardly a bias here.

Re: Reiser5

#54

Post by gdy »

throwlaplace wrote: post #48
gdy wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?" Virtue signalling.

I'm posting from a throwaway. What is the incentive for me to signal anything?

That sweet feeling of being better than others.

Re: Reiser5

#55

Post by esotericn »

serf wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #30

Reiser is the only filesystem on Linux that I ever lost data to. And they really should drop the name, that's not just a wish but a must, keeping it is completely tone-deaf. I was all for giving Reiser the benefit of the doubt as long as he wasn't convicted but it looked bad from the start and the way he lied about it means that that name can not today or forever be associated with something that requires trust in an…

it's sort of self-fulfilling-prophecy to talk about how bad the name tarnishes the project, while simultaneously explaining to everybody your opinion about why the name is bad. anecdote : I asked a young developer near me 'Hey, do you know the Hans Reiser story?'. The reply was 'Who?'. The reply came from someone familiar with the filesystem, and that general line of work. tl;dr : Reiser is just a name. It was recent…

How long do you want to wait? I don't particularly care about the name, but I was around at the time of the Reiser case, and I'd like to hope that I've got another 20-30 years in me yet.

Re: Reiser5

#56

Post by popularrecluse »

gdy wrote: post #42
throwlaplace wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don't understand what you're getting at? that's the definition of empathy: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empat... the implication is that even though i haven't had my mother murdered i can simulate the experience and thereby relate (to an extent) to someone that has and make decisions with those insights in mind. Edit: I just realized that what you probably meant is that if it's never happe…

"Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?" Virtue signalling.

Ah... "virtue signaling". What the sociopaths among us have branded empathy they cannot feel or understand in others. Just because it is not an emotion you have, does not mean it is not real for others.

Re: Reiser5

#57

Post by strainer »

serf wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #30

Reiser is the only filesystem on Linux that I ever lost data to. And they really should drop the name, that's not just a wish but a must, keeping it is completely tone-deaf. I was all for giving Reiser the benefit of the doubt as long as he wasn't convicted but it looked bad from the start and the way he lied about it means that that name can not today or forever be associated with something that requires trust in an…

it's sort of self-fulfilling-prophecy to talk about how bad the name tarnishes the project, while simultaneously explaining to everybody your opinion about why the name is bad. anecdote : I asked a young developer near me 'Hey, do you know the Hans Reiser story?'. The reply was 'Who?'. The reply came from someone familiar with the filesystem, and that general line of work. tl;dr : Reiser is just a name. It was recent…

However the reception of brand names is surely often self fulfilling like that, they don't succeed through robotic reason but through fuzzy associations. The murderers connection to the product is very direct so it seems it wont be forgotten soon. An unconnected product might use the name without being tainted.

Re: Reiser5

#58

Post by gdy »

haymakel wrote: post #53
gdy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Selection bias

I think you might just be trolling, but in case you are not, I do not see how selection bias applies here. I (or anyone else) did not select any comments here. Close, or maybe even actual, 100% of the comments here are about the issue with the name, so unless you want to insinuate that the HN community responding to this is not in any way representative of people who care about filesystems, there is hardly a bias her…

You imply that comments are representative of the attitude towards reiserfs in general population.

It seems more likely to me that overly emotional people, regardless of their interest in filesystems, got triggered and wrote a bunch of comments even without clicking the link.

Re: Reiser5

#59

Post by Stratoscope »

1000units wrote: post #52
echelon wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> tl;dr : Reiser is just a name. It was recently the name of a 'bad guy', but it hasn't always been, and won't always be. It's a filesystem created by and named after a murderer. Just because you're fine with it does not mean everybody is.

Caring about the name is neurotic and childish. When it's no longer a filesystem named after a murderer, it will still be a filesystem inspired and created by a murderer. And it'd be equally stupid to refuse to use it on these grounds alone. Those complaining are indulging in the thrill of cheap activism more than engaging their rational mind, and giving into their demands merely enables pointless noise-making at bes…

You are really insulting your fellow commenters here.

If you truly inhabit a healthy, antifragile state of mind, you must realize that many of us are not as enlightened and do have emotional reactions to things like this.

It doesn't mean we are inferior, it just means we are human.

Re: Reiser5

#60

Post by 1000units »

Stratoscope wrote: post #59
1000units wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caring about the name is neurotic and childish. When it's no longer a filesystem named after a murderer, it will still be a filesystem inspired and created by a murderer. And it'd be equally stupid to refuse to use it on these grounds alone. Those complaining are indulging in the thrill of cheap activism more than engaging their rational mind, and giving into their demands merely enables pointless noise-making at bes…

You are really insulting your fellow commenters here. If you truly inhabit a healthy, antifragile state of mind, you must realize that many of us are not as enlightened and do have emotional reactions to things like this. It doesn't mean we are inferior, it just means we are human.

This fragility does not make you a lesser person; I extend my hand to you as an equal, my brother. I hope you do the same when I am misguided or weakened in any manner myself.
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