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Re: Reiser5

#41

Post by gdy »

throwlaplace wrote: post #13
ilammy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? That’s just a name. If people are that reluctant to use a technology just because a murderer used to develop some parts of it, what would they think of current developers who renamed the project just to conceal that historical fact? Wouldn’t they initiate a grand purge once they learn that somethingelsefs is actually a project that uses code and ideas of reiserfs?

>Why? That’s just a name. is it really that difficult to attempt empathy? imagine being one of his kids, growing up to become a developer, and then having to work on code that intersects with reiserfs.

That's a rather hypothetical situation, his kids may as well avoid programming altogether or simply be interested in something else.

Your comment, by the way, is very insensitive, surely with your empathy you could've imagined possibility of the author of the parent comment being autistic and hurt by your suggestion that empathy is easy.

Re: Reiser5

#42

Post by gdy »

throwlaplace wrote: post #26
Yver wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have to imagine it then this is concern trolling.

i don't understand what you're getting at? that's the definition of empathy: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empat... the implication is that even though i haven't had my mother murdered i can simulate the experience and thereby relate (to an extent) to someone that has and make decisions with those insights in mind. Edit: I just realized that what you probably meant is that if it's never happe…

"Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?"

Virtue signalling.

Re: Reiser5

#43

Post by sjwright »

tonyarkles wrote: post #19
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

”Hans Thomas Reiser (born December 19, 1963) is an American computer programmer, entrepreneur, and convicted murderer.” Not a great namesake, is it?

Potentially eligible for parole this month! https://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov/Details.aspx?ID=G31008

Wouldn't it be ironic if the county somehow ...lost the file

Re: Reiser5

#44

Post by echelon »

serf wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #30

Reiser is the only filesystem on Linux that I ever lost data to. And they really should drop the name, that's not just a wish but a must, keeping it is completely tone-deaf. I was all for giving Reiser the benefit of the doubt as long as he wasn't convicted but it looked bad from the start and the way he lied about it means that that name can not today or forever be associated with something that requires trust in an…

it's sort of self-fulfilling-prophecy to talk about how bad the name tarnishes the project, while simultaneously explaining to everybody your opinion about why the name is bad. anecdote : I asked a young developer near me 'Hey, do you know the Hans Reiser story?'. The reply was 'Who?'. The reply came from someone familiar with the filesystem, and that general line of work. tl;dr : Reiser is just a name. It was recent…

> tl;dr : Reiser is just a name. It was recently the name of a 'bad guy', but it hasn't always been, and won't always be.

It's a filesystem created by and named after a murderer. Just because you're fine with it does not mean everybody is.

Re: Reiser5

#45

Post by bityard »

vkaku wrote: post #21

If you guys called it something else (even ShishkinFS) you may get more takers. It's thorny that they decided to keep the name, and not everyone is comfortable visualizing the various things that happened with Hans Reiser. Just rename it already, please!

Why would they rename it? In terms of getting their project attention, it's been a very successful marketing strategy so far.

Re: Reiser5

#46

Post by vilhelm_s »

throwlaplace wrote: post #13
ilammy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? That’s just a name. If people are that reluctant to use a technology just because a murderer used to develop some parts of it, what would they think of current developers who renamed the project just to conceal that historical fact? Wouldn’t they initiate a grand purge once they learn that somethingelsefs is actually a project that uses code and ideas of reiserfs?

>Why? That’s just a name. is it really that difficult to attempt empathy? imagine being one of his kids, growing up to become a developer, and then having to work on code that intersects with reiserfs.

It seems his kids are named Reiser too, so presumably they encounter the name quite often? (https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/07/17/jury-awards-hans-reis...)

Re: Reiser5

#47

Post by haymakel »

serf wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #30

Reiser is the only filesystem on Linux that I ever lost data to. And they really should drop the name, that's not just a wish but a must, keeping it is completely tone-deaf. I was all for giving Reiser the benefit of the doubt as long as he wasn't convicted but it looked bad from the start and the way he lied about it means that that name can not today or forever be associated with something that requires trust in an…

it's sort of self-fulfilling-prophecy to talk about how bad the name tarnishes the project, while simultaneously explaining to everybody your opinion about why the name is bad. anecdote : I asked a young developer near me 'Hey, do you know the Hans Reiser story?'. The reply was 'Who?'. The reply came from someone familiar with the filesystem, and that general line of work. tl;dr : Reiser is just a name. It was recent…

The fact that every single thread here, possibly every single comment, is so far referring to the name of the filesystem, speaks louder to me than your anecdote. (It's very hard, for me at least, to say that in a way that does not come across as snarky, which I don't intend to be.)

Re: Reiser5

#48

Post by throwlaplace »

gdy wrote: post #42
throwlaplace wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don't understand what you're getting at? that's the definition of empathy: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empat... the implication is that even though i haven't had my mother murdered i can simulate the experience and thereby relate (to an extent) to someone that has and make decisions with those insights in mind. Edit: I just realized that what you probably meant is that if it's never happe…

"Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?" Virtue signalling.

I'm posting from a throwaway. What is the incentive for me to signal anything?

Re: Reiser5

#49

Post by gdy »

haymakel wrote: post #47
serf wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's sort of self-fulfilling-prophecy to talk about how bad the name tarnishes the project, while simultaneously explaining to everybody your opinion about why the name is bad. anecdote : I asked a young developer near me 'Hey, do you know the Hans Reiser story?'. The reply was 'Who?'. The reply came from someone familiar with the filesystem, and that general line of work. tl;dr : Reiser is just a name. It was recent…

The fact that every single thread here, possibly every single comment, is so far referring to the name of the filesystem, speaks louder to me than your anecdote. (It's very hard, for me at least, to say that in a way that does not come across as snarky, which I don't intend to be.)

Selection bias

Re: Reiser5

#50

Post by smacktoward »

bityard wrote: post #45
vkaku wrote: post #21

If you guys called it something else (even ShishkinFS) you may get more takers. It's thorny that they decided to keep the name, and not everyone is comfortable visualizing the various things that happened with Hans Reiser. Just rename it already, please!

Why would they rename it? In terms of getting their project attention, it's been a very successful marketing strategy so far.

On the contrary. Once upon a time ReiserFS was a serious contender to be the next de facto standard Linux filesystem. Then Reiser did what he did and interest in his filesystem promptly became nonexistent, where it remains to this day.

That’s not marketing. It’s more like anti-marketing.

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