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Re: Reiser5

#21
If you guys called it something else (even ShishkinFS) you may get more takers.

It's thorny that they decided to keep the name, and not everyone is comfortable visualizing the various things that happened with Hans Reiser.

Just rename it already, please!

Re: Reiser5

#22
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why? That’s just a name. is it really that difficult to attempt empathy? imagine being one of his kids, growing up to become a developer, and then having to work on code that intersects with reiserfs.

So... how changing a name averts that situation? By hoping that the kid never finds out? And should current developers rather abstain from continuing development as they obviously behave as insensitive egoistic jerks that instead should drink some brain bleach, bury the project, and move on? Come one, that’s ridiculous. It’s more irrational than blaming the gun for the murder: it’s like blaming the word for that and…

you're still not making the attempt; it requires imagining being that person. my point is very simple and obvious: having to constantly be presented with the name of your abuser is painful.

Re: Reiser5

#23
post #14
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The tech is still incredibly impressive, I just wish they'd rename it.

Branding isn't a very logical science; so sure they probably should. Them and the GNU Image Manipulation Program, which has 100% lost users because of the stupid name. That said, we also need to be able to separate the good and bad people do. Reiser in his capacity as a programmer is really a different entity to him in his capacity as a murderer. Celebrating one is not celebrating the other. It is the stereotypical e…

GIMP changing its name seems pointless at this point, especially because of where the conversations there led. It would have been smarter for them to argue that "gimp" is a sexual term, and therefore gross, rather than an antiquated ableist term, because the former is more common than the latter usage (which is never used).

Reiser's accomplishments are already out there, there's no need to continue with his name on something he hasn't contributed a patch to in a decade, and there's literally no harm in changing the name of a program like this; it's not a binary decision between "remember the person" and "use their work," plenty of people have their work utilized despite no one knowing their name. I think that's fine.

Re: Reiser5

#24
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? That’s just a name. If people are that reluctant to use a technology just because a murderer used to develop some parts of it, what would they think of current developers who renamed the project just to conceal that historical fact? Wouldn’t they initiate a grand purge once they learn that somethingelsefs is actually a project that uses code and ideas of reiserfs?

>Why? That’s just a name. is it really that difficult to attempt empathy? imagine being one of his kids, growing up to become a developer, and then having to work on code that intersects with reiserfs.

There are costs to renaming the project too.

Imagine we spent all of our energy avoiding already unlikely situations that might marginally harm ~2 out of 7.5 billion people on earth.

And what about the kids whose parents were murdered by people with more common names?

Re: Reiser5

#25
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... how changing a name averts that situation? By hoping that the kid never finds out? And should current developers rather abstain from continuing development as they obviously behave as insensitive egoistic jerks that instead should drink some brain bleach, bury the project, and move on? Come one, that’s ridiculous. It’s more irrational than blaming the gun for the murder: it’s like blaming the word for that and…

you're still not making the attempt; it requires imagining being that person. my point is very simple and obvious: having to constantly be presented with the name of your abuser is painful.

If you have to imagine it then this is concern trolling.

Re: Reiser5

#26
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're still not making the attempt; it requires imagining being that person. my point is very simple and obvious: having to constantly be presented with the name of your abuser is painful.

If you have to imagine it then this is concern trolling.

i don't understand what you're getting at? that's the definition of empathy:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empat...

the implication is that even though i haven't had my mother murdered i can simulate the experience and thereby relate (to an extent) to someone that has and make decisions with those insights in mind.

Edit: I just realized that what you probably meant is that if it's never happened to me then I can't genuinely be concerned. I didn't even know that that was something people believed. Interesting. Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?

Re: Reiser5

#27
post #21

If you guys called it something else (even ShishkinFS) you may get more takers. It's thorny that they decided to keep the name, and not everyone is comfortable visualizing the various things that happened with Hans Reiser. Just rename it already, please!

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Re: Reiser5

#28
post #21

If you guys called it something else (even ShishkinFS) you may get more takers. It's thorny that they decided to keep the name, and not everyone is comfortable visualizing the various things that happened with Hans Reiser. Just rename it already, please!

RakudoFS

Re: Reiser5

#29
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why? That’s just a name. is it really that difficult to attempt empathy? imagine being one of his kids, growing up to become a developer, and then having to work on code that intersects with reiserfs.

There are costs to renaming the project too. Imagine we spent all of our energy avoiding already unlikely situations that might marginally harm ~2 out of 7.5 billion people on earth. And what about the kids whose parents were murdered by people with more common names?

>Imagine we spent all of our energy avoiding already unlikely situations that might marginally harm ~2 out of 7.5 billion people on earth.

false dichotomy. this isn't a choice between not doing it and doing it absolutely always. i'm not claiming we need to spend all of our energy.

i think today we spend very little of our energy optimizing for any kind of empathy let alone marginal. so any increase is still well within manageable (in terms of cost).

Re: Reiser5

#30
Reiser is the only filesystem on Linux that I ever lost data to. And they really should drop the name, that's not just a wish but a must, keeping it is completely tone-deaf. I was all for giving Reiser the benefit of the doubt as long as he wasn't convicted but it looked bad from the start and the way he lied about it means that that name can not today or forever be associated with something that requires trust in any form. Funny how that works. Lesson: do not name you OSS project after yourself, just in case one day you are convicted of murder.
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