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Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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6 is a big NO. The most part of diseases of this decade are caused by plant based diets. Humans need meat, without it we get sick. B12 can't be found in plants, there are plenty studies that shows how sick we get if we eat ONLY plants.

RE: The most part of diseases of this decade are caused by plant based diets Do you have any studies that back up your claim that humans need meat to live a healthy life? Several governmental bodies worldwide state[1] that one can live healthy using a plant based diet and The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine[0] even recommend a plant based diet for good health and disease prevention. Did you know B12 is…

PLEASE, don't do this to yourself dude. Industry are shitting all over you. Just see a picture of James Cameron now, the guy looks a zombie!! ALSO, if you want real evidence, read the articles YOU pointed. You'll see there IS NO CONCLUSION THAT PLANTS ARE HEALTHIER. PERIOD. Actually, you need to eat a LOT OF DIFFERENT PLANTS to get a little oz of a meat, go look for yourself. Check the result, how skinny and easy to get sick these people are (IF YOU DON'T EAT THE CORRECT AMONT OF A LOT OF PLANTS + SUPPLEMENTS, EVERY F* HOUR). I know, meat diet will not be here forever because of resources (thanks for some comments here I made more researches), but at the moment is THE HEALTHIER DIET POSSIBLE. No arguments against that, just check evidences and peoples (nowadays are a lot of they).

Sorry, I get very angry when I see someone trying to be scientific and tell me to watch gamerchangers.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Yeah, but if you own the private ledger completely, what advantage do you have over just having that kind of control over banks? It seems you can just do all of that with heavy handed banking regulations.

The cryptographically proven history built in rather then attempting to lay on on top

In any democracy this would kill the banks and government and central bank's ability to lie about spending and liquidity ... (because the ledger would be accessible to the justice system)

I find it hard to believe any central bank will risk that.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Look at Impossible Burger. Burger King sells them. Try an Impossible Whopper alongside the Beef Whopper. They're making a million pounds of burgers a month, from soy, potatoes, and heme for the meat flavor. Their plant in Oakland is only the size of a supermarket. This isn't an expensive product to make. When the beef industry's lobbyist in Washington first tried one, he called his people and said, "Guys, we have a p…

There is a coming backlash against fake meat due to the amount of chemicals and processing required. It's not just soy, potatoes and flavoring.

And the energy required and destruction of more soil. I'd like to see the energy/land/water required to produce one grass fed and finished cow's worth of this "meat"

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China is good at things we are really bad at: building up modern infrastructure fast and at reasonable cost, investing in long term projects (payoff in decades so meaningless for election cycle driven politics in other countries).

I doubt China has good infrastructure, which is why they build it so fast. Also it helps to absolute control over your workforce.

They have now have 2/3 of the worlds high speed rail despite starting incredibly late in the game, and not having a ton of people that can afford it.

Turns out, in a communist government you can cut through red tape incredibly easily to advance your goals for the party/country. This is common for communist govs, and not democracies. When you believe land ownership should be private, and everyone has a super strong opinion about things, it’s hard to advance infrastructure at a speed commensurate with societies needs.

Not an argument for communism, just an observation. Likely lacks some nuance, but just do a bit of research on China’s infra, and their heavy investment in that space.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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6 is a big NO. The most part of diseases of this decade are caused by plant based diets. Humans need meat, without it we get sick. B12 can't be found in plants, there are plenty studies that shows how sick we get if we eat ONLY plants.

> The most part of diseases of this decade are caused by plant based diets. I'm not sure if you are being serious. Approximately 3% of the US population claim to be 100% plant-based, and you are saying that this 3% is responsible for most part of diseases?

I'm sorry, what I wanted to say is: "The most diseases of this decade are caused by every kind of food that are not meat"

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Yes, the only way #6 will come true is if the replacement for meat looks, smells and tastes exactly like the real thing and it'll have to be cheaper too. People all over the world love meat, especially US, UK and the Chinese. I've tried to convince some family members to reduce their meat consumption even a tiniest amount gets a huge amount of resistance. People aren't going to give up their meat: they may not even b…

As someone from the UK who has tended to eat meat a lot in the past - I do agree with your reading of culture in the UK historically. But I also think it's remarkable how quickly public opinion in the UK has been shifting with regard to environmental concerns. Traveling by train as opposed to air travel, reduction of single-use plastics and plastic packaging, and reduced-meat diets all feel like much more common disc…

Perhaps, but fashions change fast. I remember the first environmentalism craze of the 90s, it didn’t last.

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But what if it's not "highly processed" due to advancements in tech? Personally I would always choose the fake (lab grown or plant based) over the real meat. Real meat and three industrial farming process just has too many ways that the product is prone to contamination, not even to mention the cruelty/ethics. I say this as an avid meat eater as well. I love the taste of meat but I'd switch in a heartbeat once there'…

This is a bit shocking and I'll get downvoted for it but: Not to mention that red meat is a class 2 carcinogen (Source: WHO). And processed meat, is a class 1 carcinogen, right up there with Plutonium, according to the World health organization.

That statement is factually correct but worded in a way that suggests a misunderstanding of the WHO classification system. "The lists describe the level of evidence that something can cause cancer, not how likely it is that something will cause cancer in any person (or how much it might raise your risk)."

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But what if it's not "highly processed" due to advancements in tech? Personally I would always choose the fake (lab grown or plant based) over the real meat. Real meat and three industrial farming process just has too many ways that the product is prone to contamination, not even to mention the cruelty/ethics. I say this as an avid meat eater as well. I love the taste of meat but I'd switch in a heartbeat once there'…

This is a bit shocking and I'll get downvoted for it but: Not to mention that red meat is a class 2 carcinogen (Source: WHO). And processed meat, is a class 1 carcinogen, right up there with Plutonium, according to the World health organization.

> This is a bit shocking and I'll get downvoted for it but: Not to mention that red meat is a class 2 carcinogen (Source: WHO). And processed meat, is a class 1 carcinogen, right up there with Plutonium, according to the World health organization.

I downvoted you not because of what you wrote, but because what you wrote is directly refuted by your (unlisted no less which I find intellectually lazy) source.

Processed meat being a class 1 carcinogen doesn't mean that plutonium = read meat! It simply means there is a likely link between it and cancer. Not that they are equivalent. This statement is scaremongering at best, unsupported by the classification. Also "cancer" is vague, the WHO organization, IARC, listed colorectal cancer as the specific cancer.

Ref: https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

And for red meat being a class 2 carcinogen, they listed as probably not that its known.

From their FAQ:

    This recommendation was based on epidemiological studies suggesting that small increases in the risk of several cancers may be associated with high consumption of red meat or processed meat. Although these risks are small, they could be important for public health because many people worldwide eat meat and meat consumption is increasing in low- and middle-income countries. Although some health agencies already recommend limiting intake of meat, these recommendations are aimed mostly at reducing the risk of other diseases. With this in mind, it was important for IARC to provide authoritative scientific evidence on the cancer risks associated with eating red meat and processed meat.
Note that phrase: "Although these risks are small"

If you want to paint red meat with a broad "bad for humans and whatnot" brush. At least get your facts straight. I can't look at the paper cause its behind the elsevier paywall but it should be here for anyone that can get it.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2...

I bet the 18% more chance of colorectal cancer listed in the study amounts to for 500 people instead of 4 getting cancer, maybe 5 do now. One of my biggest pet peeves with all of this is the focus on whatever number is higher without contextualizing it.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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I agree except with your last sentence. They have the biggest total pollution, but their pollution per capita is actually low compared to eastern countries, and they are investing and legislating aggressively for clean tech.

Yeah but in this case absolut numbers seem more relevant, per capita will always be low if you're a billion population nation.

Since we all live on earth surface, per land area could be a good measure.

US ~500 China ~1100 UK ~1500 Germany ~2000 Japan ~2000 South Korea ~4000

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