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Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by ethbro »

dorfsmay wrote: post #151
ethbro wrote: post #78

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The problem of Linux DEs seems to be that they're run by UX geeks. Which makes sense. Who else would be willing to dedicate the amount of time to get them working? The downside is that utility comes in absolutely last place with UX geeks. Ergo, you get a full UI redesign at every opportunity. But... that's why you pay people: to do boring things. Like port an old UI into a more modern underlying framework without cha…

I find plaingnome on top of Ubuntu not needing any feeling. My kids grew up on that and were really confused and found it hard when they had to use Windows and OSX in school. I, for one, cannot get my head around the OSX UI, I find it impossible to use.

As a Linux / Windows guy, some of the metaphors are weird.

But at least it's mostly consistent.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by jki275 »

Silhouette wrote: post #301
jki275 wrote: post #289

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Your comment makes it seems as though people don't develop software on Windows. That's a fairly normal thing that happens quite a great deal, and it's arguably the best software development experience because of Visual Studio.

I'm sorry, but I don't see how my comment reads that way at all. I was careful to qualify all of my statements so they were not overly general for exactly that reason. In any case, while Visual Studio is a decent IDE, I don't see how it's exceptional as far as developer experience goes. It has an OK but somewhat underpowered editor, an OK but somewhat overcomplicated project system, etc. It feels quite "heavy" compar…

"Heavy"? I guess if you like writing code in VI that would be true.

Otherwise, Visual Studio is the best IDE on the market hands down. There's simply nothing else that can touch it.

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Post by java-man »

jodrellblank wrote: post #152
java-man wrote: post #43

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I might be wrong, of course, but the OS should respect the user preference. The OS must not, under any condition, override the user preference - especially, as you say, in case of "malware hijacking popular file extension".

The reason Microsoft do this is to respect the user preferences[1]. When a program goes through the proper channels, Windows pops up the dialog which says " you have installed a new program which can handle {Foo} filetype, would you like to open it in the new program, or the one you were using? " When a program skips this user-respecting dialog, and edits the registry directly to take control of a file extension with…

I really don't understand your reasoning.

Let me clarify the scenario:

1. the user modified the default application for PDF to use FoxIt.

2. Win10 reverts the assignment back to Edge after an update and/or reboot.

There is no other program involved. There is a user setting the preference and Win10 ignoring it, consistently for a period of several years, ever since I installed it.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by Lammy »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #294
Lammy wrote: post #211

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> what was it, ten years ago? Double that and you’re closer ;) https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/22

Microsoft has been an oppressive troll since the 80s. Forty years. The fact there are terms of phrase to encapsulate frustration and anger with that isn't some disqualifying marker to someone's opinion. Unless of course you are partisan in opposition to those views. Which means you are the ones with the invalid arguments

You're reading way too far into a throwaway comment about a twenty year old webcomic.

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Post by Falkon1313 »

TwoNineFive wrote: post #138
brianpgordon wrote: post #84

I'm no Windows fanboy but there's a lot of misinformation here. In the spirit of bullying the reader with a big list of points, here are some examples of incorrect claims in TFA: 1. It's not hard to disable Cortana and internet-assisted start menu search completion. I assume that's what they mean by "keyboard scanning and voice recording" because I don't think there's anything else like that in the OS. It is possible…

> It's not hard to disable Cortana Wrong. For people who disabled Cortana, it kept re-enabling itself automatically after updates. I think that problem is mostly gone now, but it was definitely an issue all the way up till earlier this year. > Disk fragmentation hasn't been an issue The article has one tiny line-item about fragmentation and it was about architecture. I agree that it's not an issue for most people, bu…

> To the best of my knowledge, it's impossible to get a start menu without all the tips and ads

It's actually so easy I've forgotten how I did it, but I removed all of that stuff (including Cortana) within the first 5 or 10 minutes of booting into Win 10 for the first time about 3 years ago. I think you just right-click on it and remove it.

Much of the hate towards Win 10 is just FUD from people who didn't bother to try even basic things to customize it to their liking before claiming it can't be done. I let that get to me and held off on updating from 7 for awhile, but I've been on 10 for a few years now and it's been rock-solid and problem-free.

The biggest problem - automatic updates that take over and restart the computer without your permission, potentially bricking it - is something that I avoided by getting Pro. There is some merit to the argument that your OS shouldn't by default delete your work, run code without your permission, and possibly brick your computer unless you pay.

It is a very good OS worth the cost, and if you do pay for it then that's not a problem at all. But the fact that they take such a bludgeoning approach on the people who get it for free does still seem wrong. The reasoning behind it makes sense though (almost all users are online and need updates for security or else their compromised machines become part of the problem). And the solution, pay to control when updates occur, doesn't make sense at the technological level, but at the human level it does. Those who care enough about it to pay for that are the ones less likely to be security problems.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by stinos »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #302
stinos wrote: post #81

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This is fairly spot on though a bit overly generalizing perhaps (e.g. might be me, but 8 years of Win7 on work machine and it's still running completely ok and depending on what exactly you use Linux for there's only moderate amounts of fiddling, though fiddling there is :) I've used and still use all the major OS. There's no silver bullet and there's bugs everywhere, one more annoying than the other. Learning to use…

On a long term Win install traditionally you have to pay attention to disk space, backups of patches pile up in the system folder until the disk is almost full. Which leads to more fragmentation, which leads to slowdowns. Which leads to anger and fear, then the dark side. Has this been finally fixed?

As far as I'm aware Disk Cleanup gets rid of those backups. But this is a long term install and was properly planned to be one, so I started with plenty of disk space.

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Post by noisem4ker »

kwhat4 wrote: post #27
softwaredoug wrote: post #14

Something small I like about Windows: when I plug in Ethernet, it actually shows an Ethernet connection in the system tray. OSX seems to have a special icon for tethering to iPhone, but not Ethernet of all things. It just show the wifi icon, even when Ethernet is connected. Grr.

It is physically plugged into the computer so you obviously don't need an icon cluttering your UI. This is the Apple design philosophy you paid extra for.

The cable being plugged in tells you nothing about the state of the connection at the upper layers. Also, the icon doubles as a shortcut to connection status and settings panels.

Do you think it's clutter? Drag the icon to the overflow menu, you won't see it again unless looking for it. This is why I value customizability and use Windows.

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Post by Silhouette »

jki275 wrote: post #312
Silhouette wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but I don't see how my comment reads that way at all. I was careful to qualify all of my statements so they were not overly general for exactly that reason. In any case, while Visual Studio is a decent IDE, I don't see how it's exceptional as far as developer experience goes. It has an OK but somewhat underpowered editor, an OK but somewhat overcomplicated project system, etc. It feels quite "heavy" compar…

"Heavy"? I guess if you like writing code in VI that would be true. Otherwise, Visual Studio is the best IDE on the market hands down. There's simply nothing else that can touch it.

Using an IDE like Visual Studio is helpful if you're developing a native Windows application, but what if you're writing embedded code for some new device and need cross-compiled C and assembly language, or you want a workbook-style presentation of data processing you're doing in Python, or you're writing some fancy isomorphic SPA for a new website, or you're researching new proof techniques for high reliability systems in Idris? The world of programming is far, far bigger than just making native applications targeting desktop OSes, and the tools that are useful for different kinds of programming go way beyond things like editors and debuggers.

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Post by jki275 »

Silhouette wrote: post #318
jki275 wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Heavy"? I guess if you like writing code in VI that would be true. Otherwise, Visual Studio is the best IDE on the market hands down. There's simply nothing else that can touch it.

Using an IDE like Visual Studio is helpful if you're developing a native Windows application, but what if you're writing embedded code for some new device and need cross-compiled C and assembly language, or you want a workbook-style presentation of data processing you're doing in Python, or you're writing some fancy isomorphic SPA for a new website, or you're researching new proof techniques for high reliability syst…

As I said, if you like writing code in VI.

The vast majority of what I do is C or C++, and I do as much of it as I can in Xcode or VS even if I have to cross-compile it later to run on the machines it's written for. A good IDE is worth its weight in gold, and VS is the best.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by Silhouette »

jki275 wrote: post #319
Silhouette wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using an IDE like Visual Studio is helpful if you're developing a native Windows application, but what if you're writing embedded code for some new device and need cross-compiled C and assembly language, or you want a workbook-style presentation of data processing you're doing in Python, or you're writing some fancy isomorphic SPA for a new website, or you're researching new proof techniques for high reliability syst…

As I said, if you like writing code in VI. The vast majority of what I do is C or C++, and I do as much of it as I can in Xcode or VS even if I have to cross-compile it later to run on the machines it's written for. A good IDE is worth its weight in gold, and VS is the best.

The vast majority of what I do is C or C++

Given your comments here, that makes sense, but there is a whole world of other programming languages used in other ways out there, and what you use to edit your code or even debug it is far from the only tool that matters. In many of those languages, the best tools and newest developments typically happen on UNIX first. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult thing to acknowledge, but anyway, this discussion doesn't seem to be going anywhere useful so perhaps we should stop here.

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